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Anyone recently applied for a FL Nonresident permit?

thebrotha167

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Has anyone contacted them about the progress of their application? And do they get P Od if you call them up to ask about the progress? Does anyone think that may speed up the process some by bringing your application status up?
 

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Won't speed up the process but it won't hurt if you check in about 1 month or so. I've called only once and the lady I spoke with was very nice and helpful.







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Jersey Ron wrote:
no problem! also be aware that there are 4 or 5 states that will not recognize your permit because you are NOT a resident of florida. Michigan, Vermont and Colorado I know for sure.





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The only reason VT does not recognize the permit is because they don't require any!!
 

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Actually, I meant New Hampshire not Vermont. You are correct! Vermont is just like Alaska. No permits needed for any type of carry.







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Jersey Ron wrote:
You do know that the Florida CCW is NOT legal in Maryland.

Jersey


Well, not really. A non-MD permit is not valid but you won't be put in jail for having one.:D

There is no such animal as a non-resident Florida permit. Non-residents receive the same permit as residents.:celebrate

In Michigan, any permit is valid (without regard to residency) for open carry restriction exemption.:what:
 

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The "problem" with Vermont is that people from the other parts of the United States of America who wish to go to VT, NH or Maine have to travel through the Socialist State of New York where the mere possession of a handgun, even if locked up and broken down, without a license is a felony punishable by 7 yrs in prison. And New York does not have a passage clause in its laws and does not issue licenses to non residents and I somehow highly doubt that the Law Enforcement would obey the superseding federal law that allows for interstate transport. Effectively for someone living in the United States who wishes to move or visit Vt, NH, or ME would find it very dangerous and risky to transport handguns through New York.
 

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apjonas wrote:
Jersey Ron wrote:
You do know that the Florida CCW is NOT legal in Maryland.

Jersey


Well, not really. A non-MD permit is not valid but you won't be put in jail for having one.:D

There is no such animal as a non-resident Florida permit. Non-residents receive the same permit as residents.:celebrate

In Michigan, any permit is valid for open carry restriction exemption.:what:
Florida does not distinguish between non resident and resident. This is true. What I was trying to convey to him was it's no good in his home state and there are 4 or 5 states that DO NOT recognize the Florida permit UNLESS you are a resident of Florida.
 

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thebrother167, i'm pretty sure you can pass through ny if your gun is empty, locked in the trunk and separated from the ammunition. you can't stop off at a buddies house or go vist grandma. i'm almost certain of this. i'll find that law and post it.











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"Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console."

This federal statute does allow for the interstate transport of firearms. NYS does not allow for the unlicensed transport of hanguns through the state unless you have a license from your home state, and you are going to an NRA sanctioned match.

[size="-1"]"A member or coach of an accredited college or university target pistol team may transport a handgun into or through New York to participate in a collegiate, Olympic or target pistol shooting competition provided that the handgun is unloaded and carried in a separate locked container.[/size]
[size="-1"]Nonresident target shooters may enter or pass through New York State with handguns for purposes of any NRA-approved competition if the competitor has in his possession a copy of the match program, proof of entry and a pistol license or firearms registration card from his state of residence. The handgun must be unloaded and transported in a fully opaque container."[/size]



The part of the federal statute that is a bit fuzzy to me is the Notwithstanding any state or local law part. Would this allow NYS to supercede the federal statute? Even if the federal statute supercedes the state statute in this case are LEOs in NYS aware of this statute, and will they selectively ignore it and hassle otherwise law abiding citizens transporting their handguns through NYS?

Even New Jersey, Maryland, and Illinois allow for transport of firearms in accordance to the federal statute.
 

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A non-resident citizen may possess a rifle or shotgun in New York, as long as it is unloaded while being transported. No person may carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state unless he has a valid New York license. New York does not issue licenses to non-residents nor does it recognize licenses issued by other states. (A provision of federal law provides a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel. If a person is traveling from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport a firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm and the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Necessary stops, e.g., gasoline and rest, seem permissible.)

Basically New York is saying that federal law provides a defense to their ridiculous law but take the chance if you dare!!!



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Being used as a preposition; notwithstanding means "in spite of" or "without being opposed or prevented by.

IMHO it reads :In spite of any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console."







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Good one, that is correct. If the word "notwithstanding" was indeed used as a preposition then it appears that our right to transport interstate as provided by USC 18 926 a is indeed protected and does supercede the NYS code prohibiting unlicensed transport of handguns. Now its up to the particular LEO or DA to ignore the federal statute or interpret the word "notwithstanding" being used as an adverb or conjunction.

Definition according to the miriam webster dictionary:

Main Entry:[sup]1[/sup]not·with·stand·ing Pronunciation: \ˌnät-with-ˈstan-diŋ, -with-\ Function:preposition Etymology:Middle English notwithstonding, from not + withstonding, present participle of withstonden to withstandDate:14th century :despite <notwithstanding their inexperience, they were an immediate success> —often used after its object <the motion passed, our objection notwithstanding>

This of course, now, begs the question, which dictionary is employed for defining words used in United States Code-- and is it constant? Perhaps they should make public which dictionary is used for definitions in United States Code.
 

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Jersey Ron wrote:
no problem! also be aware that there are 4 or 5 states that will not recognize your permit because you are NOT a resident of florida. Michigan, Vermont and Colorado I know for sure.





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Actually, in Vermont one does not need a permit for any variety of carry, so by default, all permits are recognised.

Just one of several reasons I keep up my legal residency there through 17 years and 7 military moves.

Edit: Oops, this was already corrected above. I posted this before I got to page 2...
 

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buketdude wrote:
they cashed my check on oct 3rd...i called last week and they said it was sent out nov 16th...but got returned "address undeliverable"....i verified address..it was right..they sent it again..and it got here yesterday..damn postal service...
If they cashed the check oct 3rd then you likely sent it about 10 days before hand on the 24th of September- they mailed it to you on the 16th of Nov-- that's approximately 8 weeks from when you sent it off. My guess is 6 weeks processing time. Which means, I'll get mine sometime in late febuary or early march......:question:
 

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Even smaller world, I too took his course. I live on the complete other end of the state too. Really nice guy and has it the whole process setup perfectly. Sooo easy.

Unfortunately here in PA many states don't honor our permits because our permit requires no training.

Jersey Ron wrote:
NO WAY!!!! Dr. Eimer was my instructor too!!!! Small world!!! Small world. He also did my psych evaluation for my ACT 235 certification. (Needed for carrying when on duty; armed guard, PI, etc.)









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DeltaII5 wrote:
Even smaller world, I too took his course. I live on the complete other end of the state too. Really nice guy and has it the whole process setup perfectly. Sooo easy.

Unfortunately here in PA many states don't honor our permits because our permit requires no trainin

How long did your FL permit take to process? At least you guys have shall issue permits that aren't highly intrusive unlike us in the Socialist State Of Maryland. I really like the set up that Dr. Eimer had too.... one stop shopping for everything...the paperwork, how to fill it out, notary, fingerprinting, photographs, ect.
 
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