Well - I took a younger shooter out today. Let him shoot all my fancy guns.? Then we get to the HI-POINT 45 & 45 Carbine. Guess what ? Did the sticky note drill with him with the pistol & he outshot me (little ba$tard)! It was his 2nd time at a gun range & his first time ever shooting 45's - nothing worse than being outshot with your own gun!