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Info telephone call to Lebanon PD. At least one officer there knows OC is legal

jackson

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Hello, everyone. I have been reading the OH forum, and called Lebanon PD yesterday to ask if OC was legal in the city limits (knowing full well it was in the State). The first person I spoke with was a woman who transferred to to an officer, but I did not write his name. I asked the very same question, and his response (without a pause) was, "What do you mean by open carry?" I told him, "To carry a firearm on my person, in a holster, in plain sight." He then asked, "Just walking down the street?"

"Okay."

He said that yes, it was legal to OC in the entire state. He then continued that I would probably be stopped and questioned if/when an officer saw me.

I then asked if someone complained, would I be arrested to inciting a riot, etc. He said that was up to the individual officer.

Since I was only calling for info, I did not want to start a debate. So, I then asked if I was OC in my condo complex and someone complained would I have problems since it is private property of a group nature, and he told me that would not be a problem with the PD. I thanked him and hung-up.

At least one officer in town knows the rights of OC. :banghead:
 
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Fallschirjmäger

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Knows that it is legal, but still remains uninformed of other equally important laws such as inciting a riot.

Aren't cops supposed to take classes in what the laws are or something? Seems silly to give a high school graduate a badge and a gun without any sort of education in the matter.
 
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Herr Heckler Koch

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...Aren't cops supposed to take classes in what the laws are or something? Seems silly to give a high school graduate a badge and a gun without any sort of education in the matter.
They may be trained how to use the law to some end, but they are not generally JD.

You may beat the rap but you will not beat the ride.
 

F350

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They may be trained how to use the law to some end, but they are not generally JD.

You may beat the rap but you will not beat the ride.

I have absolutely NO problem with that, it will be sorta like a reverse taxi fare; a guy here in Colorado (Loveland) just settled for $15,000 for police harassment while open carrying........ BUT; I ain't that cheap of a date.

PLUS; if I break some law I am unaware of I'll bet I will hear "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"; shouldn't a LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONAL" be held to an even higher standard?????
 
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Herr Heckler Koch

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... PLUS; if I break some law I am unaware of I'll bet I will hear "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"; shouldn't a LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONAL" be held to an even higher standard?????
That begs the meaning, modus ponens, of professional. A cop as "professional" beggars the meaning of professional.

The district attorneys are law enforcement's professionals.
 

BB62

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...He said that yes, it was legal to OC in the entire state. He then continued that I would probably be stopped and questioned if/when an officer saw me.

I then asked if someone complained, would I be arrested to inciting a riot, etc. He said that was up to the individual officer...
You may want to read the thread about the Cincinnati PD. It's long past time that the whole "You may be stopped/questioned/charged" stuff stops.

If you want to, join the effort to put pressure on the appropriate people to stop these kinds of things. We are expected to know the law, it's appropriate that those enforcing (or alleging to enforce) it know it also.
 

OC for ME

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Knowing that OC is legal does not necessarily translate into that LEO or any other LEO respecting/following the law that makes OC legal.
 

BB62

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Knowing that OC is legal does not necessarily translate into that LEO or any other LEO respecting/following the law that makes OC legal.
Gee, really?

I fail to see how this kind of post adds anything to the discussion of the matter.
 
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MyWifeSaidYes

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Knowing that OC is legal does not necessarily translate into that LEO or any other LEO respecting/following the law that makes OC legal.

And that is why the two most consistent messages you will find on OCDO is to 1) KNOW THE LAW in your area before open carrying, and 2) HAVE A VOICE RECORDER running (check your batteries). If you are arrested for performing a legal act, contact the attorney whose number you should already have in your wallet.
 

Noel Avenelle

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If ignorance of the law is no excuse for committing a crime, then how do these people calling MWAG not get pinned with filing a false police report?

That's what I want to know.

Another thing I was to know, how can the person OC get pinned with inciting a riot or disorderly conduct? It's not our fault other people don't know the laws.
 
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Herr Heckler Koch

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There is an explicit hierarchy of law enforcement. The cops observe, detain, investigate and recommend charges. The call center receiving the MWAG may not even be operated by the cops. The state's attorney is the first responsible officer of the court in the chain and he makes the charges. The judge tries the charges against the available evidence.
 

MyWifeSaidYes

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Noel Avenelle said:
If ignorance of the law is no excuse for committing a crime, then how do these people calling MWAG not get pinned with filing a false police report?

Because you had a gun. It's when they say you were doing something with the gun that you weren't that it becomes a crime.

Noel Avenelle said:
Another thing I was to know, how can the person OC get pinned with inciting a riot or disorderly conduct? It's not our fault other people don't know the laws.

In Ohio, they shouldn't. They also shouldn't get charged with inducing panic or aggravated menacing. But it happens. You can stay in your car and a cop can still write you a ticket for jaywalking. Then you get to go to court and fight it.

There is an explicit hierarchy of law enforcement. The cops observe, detain, investigate and recommend charges. The call center receiving the MWAG may not even be operated by the cops. The state's attorney is the first responsible officer of the court in the chain and he makes the charges. The judge tries the charges against the available evidence.

Or the judge ignores the evidence and pursues the charges anyway!

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...port-for-US-veteran-needed-in-Waverly-on-4-27

This guys trial has been moved to June 8th. Hope to you all there!
 
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