Minor parties Presidential debate

[KYGlockster]

Gary Johnson is a two-time governor. And a popular one too.

lol, Romney wants to add $200 billion dollars a year to military spending. He's signed more gun bans than Obama has. He'll probably start a war with Iran his first week in office. When asked about specifics of his tax plans, he has no answer. His foreign policy advisors are the same ones Bush had. ...which of the two main candidates is the more "liberty" one again?

That RNC Sham 2012 video doesn't tell anywhere near the full story of what went on this election. Not even including all the cheating and dishonesty and literally finger breaking and calling in SWAT teams leading up to the convention, the RNC at the convention threw out duly-elected delegates AND simply disregarded the six states that properly submitted their paperwork to nominate Ron Paul. RON PAUL WAS NOMINATED AT THE CONVENTION. It's on video.

Obama = four more years of corruption. Romney = eight more years of corruption. Look at how the neocons all fell in line with an R in the White House. Republicans passed the Patriot Act, NDAA indefinite detention, government-sanctioned murder of a 16-year-old American citizen, the no-warrant wiretap act, etc. Credit to current Democrats who some of whom at least now vote against renewing the Patriot Act and the no-warrant wiretap act.

An Obama win is probably the best thing that can happen for liberty. Rush Limbaugh and other talkers have said things like if Republicans lose to Obama then shut the party down and fire everyone involved in the election. I don't know how anyone could vote for the guy the RNC cheated to nominate. The same RNC that now changed the delegate rules that will screw over everyone in future elections.

If Gary Johnson gets 5% of the vote, the Libertarian Party will qualify for a lot more funding, and would become much more popular because of it, and that means in 2016 there wouldn't be mainstream debates with only two people basically saying the same thing and not touching important topics like NDAA.

If Gary Johnson gets 5% of the vote, it will be the beginning of the end for the two-party system. If you say we should put the process in motion for future generations, that is how you do it.

"Be Libertarian with me for one election."

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[eye95]

Right, we should just abandon our morals and principles and vote for someone who shares nothing in common with the Founders, and that we know will continue to destroy our country and our Constitutional rights. That sure sounds appealing. I will vote with my beliefs so I have a clear conscious, and I will know I didn't help the destruction by voting for the "lesser of two evils."

The bolded part is what drives me nuts about the hyperbole.

You are not abandoning your morals and principles by voting for a candidate whose views are not exactly like yours or the sainted Ron Paul. He lost. Get over it and vote for the candidate--of the two who can win--who most represents your views. My guy is out. Romney ain't my ideal. However, he will move the country in the right direction, just not perfectly so. Obama will move the country in the absolute wrong direction.

I don't care a whit whether this changes your vote. That is surely a lost cause. I care about the folks reading this thread who are considering throwing away what would be useful as a vote against Obama and turn it into nothing more than a vote for no one.

Folks, be rational. Make your vote have an effect on the outcome. Pick, from the two who can win, the candidate who most closely represents your views and vote for him. Otherwise, you might as well save yourself the trouble and stay home for all the good you are doing.


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[Jack House]

I guess the right direction for the country is to have our rights trampled by a white man instead of a black man because that's only thing that's really going to change.

If anyone thinks Romney is better for the country than they simply can't get past their blinding hatred of Obama.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

The bolded part is what drives me nuts about the hyperbole.

You are not abandoning your morals and principles by voting for a candidate whose views are not exactly like yours or the sainted Ron Paul. He lost. Get over it and vote for the candidate--of the two who can win--who most represents your views. My guy is out. Romney ain't my ideal. However, he will move the country in the right direction, just not perfectly so. Obama will move the country in the absolute wrong direction.

I don't care a whit whether this changes your vote. That is surely a lost cause. I care about the folks reading this thread who are considering throwing away what would be useful as a vote against Obama and turn it into nothing more than a vote for no one.

Folks, be rational. Make your vote have an effect on the outcome. Pick, from the two who can win, the candidate who most closely represents your views and vote for him. Otherwise, you might as well save yourself the trouble and stay home for all the good you are doing.


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Who are you to decide whether or not voting against his conscience is not ignoring his morals and principles?

Who are you to decide who more aligns with his principles?

I won't vote for a Hitler over Stalin. This type of rationalization is what happened in early Germany vote for the communist or the socialist you must pick one of the "lesser of two evils".

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”

John Quincy Adams

 

[OC for ME]

Vote for the man who promises least. He'll be the least disappointing. - Bernard Baruch

Romney/Ryan 2012

 

[Tactical9mm]

Submission of questions to be potentially asked for the "final" debate

http://freeandequal.org/submit-question/

My question that I submitted:

(To both candidates)

Part one: Would you support the repeal of the 1934 national firearms act, the 1968 gun control act, and removal of the "machine gun ban" from the 1986 firearm owners protection act? (As well as repealing ANY other federal legislation that infringes on the right to keep and bear arms by private citizens)

Part two: Would you support the elimination of the BATFE?

 

[Tactical9mm]

Great final debate. If you missed it, it should be available on youtube shortly.

I'll leave everyone with some appropriate closing words:

"Remember, remember the fifth of November......"

The film "V for Vendetta" has got to be the greatest film to watch on a November 6 election day, as the results are being tallied.

Check it out after you vote tomorrow.

 

[Brimstone Baritone]

yawn

None of them will come even close to winning. Let's focus on the actual choice we have, pick the better candidate, and vote for him. Otherwise, for all the effect you will have, you might as well stay home.


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Somehow I find it hard to believe that "Mr. Grassroots" eye95 would compromise his values so much as to support a party that blatantly ignores the rules of a general assembly. Every vote taken at the RNC was scripted, and the chair blatantly ignored every objection and many valid motions made from the floor. You voting for Romney feels almost like you voting for a certain other tyrant we are both familiar with.

Edit: Oh, I see. He doesn't see it as a compromise, because the guy that shares his values "already lost".