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Mississippi still not updated on oc maps!!!!!!!

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Well, if you got so much time on your hands, get a keyboard and/or mouse into your hand and fix the map. Some folks are getting restless. ;)
 

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It's really dumb that such an easy fix takes so long.

It actually matters a little bit. I remember back when Grapeshot's heroes were lobbying against a legislative push to bring OC to Florida. The lobbyist/hero testifying before one of the committees said the total # of states that allowed OC was the # of "gold star" states. I believe the hero was intentionally misrepresenting the facts, as is their wont, but I can only assume he used OCDO as a source!
 

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OK, question - before we change map colors - what is status of MS statute banning carrying handguns on property of another - was this repealed via the recent legislation?
 

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OK, question - before we change map colors - what is status of MS statute banning carrying handguns on property of another - was this repealed via the recent legislation?
MS 45-9-101(13)
(13) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver into any place of nuisance as defined in Section 95-3-1, Mississippi Code of 1972; any police, sheriff or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section shall preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his courtroom; any polling place; any meeting place of the governing body of any governmental entity; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any portion of an establishment, licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, that is primarily devoted to dispensing alcoholic beverages; any portion of an establishment in which beer or light wine is consumed on the premises, that is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any junior college, community college, college or university facility unless for the purpose of participating in any authorized firearms-related activity; inside the passenger terminal of any airport, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal if the firearm is encased for shipment, for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; any church or other place of worship; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. In addition to the places enumerated in this subsection, the carrying of a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver may be disallowed in any place in the discretion of the person or entity exercising control over the physical location of such place by the placing of a written notice clearly readable at a distance of not less than ten (10) feet that the "carrying of a pistol or revolver is prohibited." No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize the participants in a parade or demonstration for which a permit is required to carry a stun gun, concealed pistol or revolver.
This is MS 97-37-7(2)
(2) It shall not be a violation of this or any other statute for pistols, firearms or other suitable and appropriate weapons to be carried by Department of Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks law enforcement officers, railroad special agents who are sworn law enforcement officers, investigators employed by the Attorney General, criminal investigators employed by the district attorneys, all prosecutors, public defenders, investigators or probation officers employed by the Department of Corrections, employees of the State Auditor who are authorized by the State Auditor to perform investigative functions, or any deputy fire marshal or investigator employed by the State Fire Marshal, while engaged in the performance of their duties as such, or by fraud investigators with the Department of Human Services, or by judges of the Mississippi Supreme Court, Court of Appeals, circuit, chancery, county, justice and municipal courts, or by coroners. Before any person shall be authorized under this subsection to carry a weapon, he shall complete a weapons training course approved by the Board of Law Enforcement Officer Standards and Training. Before any criminal investigator employed by a district attorney shall be authorized under this section to carry a pistol, firearm or other weapon, he shall have complied with Section 45-6-11 or any training program required for employment as an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. A law enforcement officer, as defined in Section 45-6-3, shall be authorized to carry weapons in courthouses in performance of his official duties. A person licensed under Section 45-9-101 to carry a concealed pistol, who has voluntarily completed an instructional course in the safe handling and use of firearms offered by an instructor certified by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or by any other organization approved by the Department of Public Safety, shall also be authorized to carry weapons in courthouses except in courtrooms during a judicial proceeding, and any location listed in subsection (13) of Section 45-9-101, except any place of nuisance as defined in Section 95-3-1, any police, sheriff or highway patrol station or any detention facility, prison or jail. The department shall promulgate rules and regulations allowing concealed pistol permit holders to obtain an endorsement on their permit indicating that they have completed the aforementioned course and have the authority to carry in these locations. This section shall in no way interfere with the right of a trial judge to restrict the carrying of firearms in the courtroom.
If you get the training "endorsement" it appears you can carry past a sign banning guns, I don't know if the owner can still trespass you, but if you have the endorsement it appears by statute the sign itself carries no weight.
 

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MS 45-9-101(13)

This is MS 97-37-7(2)

If you get the training "endorsement" it appears you can carry past a sign banning guns, I don't know if the owner can still trespass you, but if you have the endorsement it appears by statute the sign itself carries no weight.
EMNofSeattle - the issue is unlicensed open carry - do the amendments to MS statutes this year completely clear away hurdles to unlicensed open carry in MS?
 

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EMNofSeattle - the issue is unlicensed open carry - do the amendments to MS statutes this year completely clear away hurdles to unlicensed open carry in MS?
Yes, the prosecutors in Mississippi operated on the thoery that a holster concealed part of a gun and thus an openly carried gun was "concealed"

now the law 97-37-1

which bans

(1) Except as otherwise provided in Section 45-9-101, any person who carries, concealed on or about one's person, any bowie knife, dirk knife, butcher knife, switchblade knife, metallic knuckles, blackjack, slingshot, pistol, revolver, or any rifle with a barrel of less than sixteen (16) inches in length, or any shotgun with a barrel of less than eighteen (18) inches in length, machine gun or any fully automatic firearm or deadly weapon, or any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not it is accompanied by a firearm, or uses or attempts to use against another person any imitation firearm, shall, upon conviction, be punished as follows:

(a) By a fine of not less than One Hundred Dollars ($ 100.00) nor more than Five Hundred Dollars ($ 500.00), or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than six (6) months, or both, in the discretion of the court, for the first conviction under this section.


now at the end states

(4) For the purposes of this section, "concealed" means hidden or obscured from common observation and shall not include any weapon listed in subsection (1) of this section, including, but not limited to, a loaded or unloaded pistol carried upon the person in a sheath, belt holster or shoulder holster that is wholly or partially visible, or carried upon the person in a scabbard or case for carrying the weapon that is wholly or partially visible.


there is now no law against unlicensed OC.

as for "carrying on the property of another" I don't know why thats relevant, there's no state in this country where a private citizen can carry on someone else's property over the owners objections. it's only illegal if a sign is posted or the subject is asked to leave....
 

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Yes, the prosecutors in Mississippi operated on the thoery that a holster concealed part of a gun and thus an openly carried gun was "concealed"

now the law 97-37-1

which bans

(1) Except as otherwise provided in Section 45-9-101, any person who carries, concealed on or about one's person, any bowie knife, dirk knife, butcher knife, switchblade knife, metallic knuckles, blackjack, slingshot, pistol, revolver, or any rifle with a barrel of less than sixteen (16) inches in length, or any shotgun with a barrel of less than eighteen (18) inches in length, machine gun or any fully automatic firearm or deadly weapon, or any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not it is accompanied by a firearm, or uses or attempts to use against another person any imitation firearm, shall, upon conviction, be punished as follows:

(a) By a fine of not less than One Hundred Dollars ($ 100.00) nor more than Five Hundred Dollars ($ 500.00), or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than six (6) months, or both, in the discretion of the court, for the first conviction under this section.


now at the end states

(4) For the purposes of this section, "concealed" means hidden or obscured from common observation and shall not include any weapon listed in subsection (1) of this section, including, but not limited to, a loaded or unloaded pistol carried upon the person in a sheath, belt holster or shoulder holster that is wholly or partially visible, or carried upon the person in a scabbard or case for carrying the weapon that is wholly or partially visible.


there is now no law against unlicensed OC.

as for "carrying on the property of another" I don't know why thats relevant, there's no state in this country where a private citizen can carry on someone else's property over the owners objections. it's only illegal if a sign is posted or the subject is asked to leave....
yeah, there is such a state - I think it's Alabama . . .
 

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I lived in Alabama for 20 years. I am aware of no law that requires a private property owner to allow carry against their wishes.


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Daylen

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OK, question - before we change map colors - what is status of MS statute banning carrying handguns on property of another - was this repealed via the recent legislation?
I think you have AL and MS mixed up. MS never had any language similar to what you are questioning. AL did and does, they just made it worse in a "pro-gun rights" bill :(
 
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