NC OC experience reports

[cricketdad]

I haven't been pulled over while speeding, but I would probably also put it on the passenger seat. Of course, this becomes sort of a problem if anyone is sitting in the passenger seat. My dash is curved, so that's not a great option.

On the dash would be the best place to put in during a traffic stop. A LEO having a bad day could charge you with it being in the seat. Then you have to go to court and prove it wasn't concealed.

From Roy Coopers little firearms law handbook

Whether, in a given case, a weapon is concealed from the public, is a question of fact
to be resolved by a jury. By using the phrase "concealed about his or her person," this
law makes it illegal to have a weapon concealed not only on a person, but also within a
person's convenient control and easy reach.

 

[smlawrence]

Last week I bought my new S&W M&P .40 cal and went to pick it up at the forever now un-named place of business (sorry, no free advertising especially after what happened...). While I was purchasing the gun, I was in conversation with the employee and we were talking about the recent shooting in the hospital up north (I want to say Baltimore or DC but can't remember right now...).

During the conversation he shook his head and commented about how the hospital was a no-gun area and that "if OC had been allowed the shooter might not have been able to kill so many". Nodding in agreement and handing over the cash, we shook hands and I was on my way.

Fast forward two days, I took my son to the same place to break in the new gun at their indoor range with about 300 rds or so. While heading inside, I saw the same sales guy outside and he noticed the gun on my hip in a holster. He stopped me and informed me that I had to take the magazine out and lock the slide to the rear before I went inside. As I was doing it (didn't want to disappoint my son by being denied access to the range at that point) I asked "hey wasn't it you and I that were just discussing OC the other day? Why would your store hamstring people by making them unload before going inside?"

His response was "don't worry, there's enough employees inside that carry that can protect the customers if anything were to happen. It's just for our safety and peace of mind."

I then said "Do you often rely on others for your protection?"

He kinda laughed and said "well, I guess I can see the irony of it, but it's our owner's policy"

'nuff said. Like I mentioned before, I was more interested in getting to the range and shooting then arguing a point with this guy anyway.

I was just kind of amazed that, even in an environment where OC is supported in theory, there still remains that little bit of hesitation in practice within some people and businesses.

BTW, the gun shot beautifully and without any snags at all. I love this thing and glad the coin landed on heads the day I was trying to decide between the S&W and the Glock

I can definately see the hipocracy in that. Just got the Springfield XDm .40 and loving it.

 

[sultan62]

Last week I bought my new S&W M&P .40 cal and went to pick it up at the forever now un-named place of business (sorry, no free advertising especially after what happened...). While I was purchasing the gun, I was in conversation with the employee and we were talking about the recent shooting in the hospital up north (I want to say Baltimore or DC but can't remember right now...).

During the conversation he shook his head and commented about how the hospital was a no-gun area and that "if OC had been allowed the shooter might not have been able to kill so many". Nodding in agreement and handing over the cash, we shook hands and I was on my way.

Fast forward two days, I took my son to the same place to break in the new gun at their indoor range with about 300 rds or so. While heading inside, I saw the same sales guy outside and he noticed the gun on my hip in a holster. He stopped me and informed me that I had to take the magazine out and lock the slide to the rear before I went inside. As I was doing it (didn't want to disappoint my son by being denied access to the range at that point) I asked "hey wasn't it you and I that were just discussing OC the other day? Why would your store hamstring people by making them unload before going inside?"

His response was "don't worry, there's enough employees inside that carry that can protect the customers if anything were to happen. It's just for our safety and peace of mind."

I then said "Do you often rely on others for your protection?"

He kinda laughed and said "well, I guess I can see the irony of it, but it's our owner's policy"

'nuff said. Like I mentioned before, I was more interested in getting to the range and shooting then arguing a point with this guy anyway.

I was just kind of amazed that, even in an environment where OC is supported in theory, there still remains that little bit of hesitation in practice within some people and businesses.

BTW, the gun shot beautifully and without any snags at all. I love this thing and glad the coin landed on heads the day I was trying to decide between the S&W and the Glock

I have seen this policy at a local range/store in Raleigh. I talked to an employee about it, and he told me it was for safety, and that they didn't mind unless/until you started trying out holster fits or a similar purpose.

That I can understand. However, to not allow it at all is ridiculous.

 

[Sam]

Last week I bought my new S&W M&P .40 cal and went to pick it up at the forever now un-named place of business (sorry, no free advertising especially after what happened...). While I was purchasing the gun, I was in conversation with the employee and we were talking about the recent shooting in the hospital up north (I want to say Baltimore or DC but can't remember right now...).

During the conversation he shook his head and commented about how the hospital was a no-gun area and that "if OC had been allowed the shooter might not have been able to kill so many". Nodding in agreement and handing over the cash, we shook hands and I was on my way.

Fast forward two days, I took my son to the same place to break in the new gun at their indoor range with about 300 rds or so. While heading inside, I saw the same sales guy outside and he noticed the gun on my hip in a holster. He stopped me and informed me that I had to take the magazine out and lock the slide to the rear before I went inside. As I was doing it (didn't want to disappoint my son by being denied access to the range at that point) I asked "hey wasn't it you and I that were just discussing OC the other day? Why would your store hamstring people by making them unload before going inside?"

His response was "don't worry, there's enough employees inside that carry that can protect the customers if anything were to happen. It's just for our safety and peace of mind."

I then said "Do you often rely on others for your protection?"

He kinda laughed and said "well, I guess I can see the irony of it, but it's our owner's policy"

'nuff said. Like I mentioned before, I was more interested in getting to the range and shooting then arguing a point with this guy anyway.

I was just kind of amazed that, even in an environment where OC is supported in theory, there still remains that little bit of hesitation in practice within some people and businesses.

BTW, the gun shot beautifully and without any snags at all. I love this thing and glad the coin landed on heads the day I was trying to decide between the S&W and the Glock

Ridiculous indeed. Sadly most of the grief I experience about OC is from gun owners.

 

[spinner]

Handgunners shooting range in Burlington has the same policy. I abide by their policy but I think it's a dumb one. You can openly have a gun once your in their, you can have a loaded gun in their, you can shoot a gun in their, you can conceal carry into the place if you have a CCP, you can buy a gun their, you can rent a gun their, the only thing you can't do their is OC, WHY? It seems like they don't want people to OC or don't want people know about OC. Hmmmmm wonder why? To get a CCP you have to "PAY" for and attend a class which they offer. It would be like shooting themselves in the foot if they told everyone " hey don't take the CCP class, you have the right under the Constitution and the laws of NC to openly carry a firearm". They know damn well no ones going into a gun store where everyones armed the rob them. They might tell you their for OC to your face but when it comes down to it ( like everything else in our society) follow the money trail. And if it was all about safty then what's the difference of a shirt covering a gun or not. I mean come on. They might say their standing up for gun right's and their part of the solution, but with their attitude on OC I think their part of the problem.

 

[Ruger]

I was just looking at Handgunners' website - the way they word things on their site & in their rules/application, the owner seems quite arrogant.

I especially love [sarcasm] how they said that it is a violation of the rules to speak in a language other than english at any time. Presumably, you can be asked to leave if they hear you speak another language at any time while you are there.

Look - I want immigrants to do their best to integrate into our culture, and learn the language of the land.... I don't like it when an immigrant gets an attitude with me because I don't speak/understand their language... BUT to tell people that they will be asked to leave if they are heard speaking another language?!?!?! Even if it is only amongst each other?!?!?!?

Yeah, I know - it is his right to be an ethnocentric ass & have that rule if he so chooses. Even so, I am amazed

AND... You can pick up your brass only if you brought your own ammo from outside - AFTER you pay a fee for having brought your own ammo.

AND.... You can avoid the above mentioned fee by purchasing your ammo on-site, BUT, even after you buy your ammo from Handgunners, the casings are not yours, and you are not allowed to keep them. You MUST deposit them into the designated casing receptacle

SHEESH!

 

[rotorhead]

Yeah, I think a lot of that is true.

For some reason they think the 30 seconds or so it takes to walk through the front door and back to the range inside is immensely safer somehow if you are clearly unloaded. Before walking in and after you are in the range I'm loaded though, I guess in some people's eyes it makes sense, I don't know.

Personally I think it mostly falls back into the old standard thinking of them feeling like if they are the only ones able to draw and shoot instantly, then the advantage is theirs...very common amongst LE community as well. I guess to be fair maybe they could have had accidents in the store in the past on the part of uneducated or simple-minded customers.

I just thought it was highly ironic that the same guy I was having the discussion with a few days prior happened to be the one I saw outside then. Personally I don't blame him as I don't think he would have the same policy if he owned the business.

All in all, this is the kind of thinking we encounter, and all the conflicts we deal with daily. It's a direct result of a concentrated effort on the part of those who would just assume do away with the Second Amendment. Those efforts cause confusion and have created an environment where many people in the country are unsure of their rights, and what is to be considered normal concerning OC, CC, and anything else to do with guns for that matter. If enough confusion is created, they can then swoop in with more and more incremental legislation designed to chip away at our Constitution- with the Second Amendment being the primary target. All of this gets so muddled that even some advocates and practitioners of OC and CC get it in their heads that guns are inherently dangerous and better left locked away within your residence, only to be used while you suffer your dying breath.

Part of what is needed is a change of thought. Openly carrying should be no more of an issue than walking your dog or wearing shoes out in public. The more people are exposed to it, the more peace they will make with it. Idiots on both sides will always pop up from time to times and do their best to mess things up, but as a whole, once people are exposed to the issue they will become more comfortable with it. Either that or they won't- it doesn't matter in the end. It's our right to carry and if people can't handle that fact they'll just have to deal with it.

That said, I'm no diplomat, but I do try to present a positive attitude to those I think may be somewhat nervous or apprehensive when they see it on me. For the most part, everything is diffused with a simple smile or kind word. It's like seeing someone with a missing leg or something sometimes, they want to look and ask but feel a little apprehension at first. Most of that is dispelled by me saying hello or something simple like that. Once the ice is broken they relax and all is well. I try to present myself as someone who should be the last guy they'd ever have to worry about.

Sorry all for the wall of text, but I just have a strong notion that the more common OC is, the more people will get used to it, especially if non-carriers' initial prejudices are defeated with common sense and a sense of walking away thinking that what they may have learned in the past is something they should re-think in a more positive light.

Have a great day

*Edit- sorry Ruger, your post slipped in while i was on my soapbox before I hit the go button. Mine was in response to the post prior to yours and the ones above that. That range you two are talking about sounds a lot like the one I'm talking about down here

 

[spinner]

yeah they got some weird rules there. I had to fill out 7 PAGES of question's to shoot there and do a on site back ground check. Listen I know they want you to know the rules and be safe but 7 pages of redundant questions. I always have to be careful there because me and my son tell each other jokes about people in German ( I know I shouldn't do that and I hate when people look at ya and talk in spanish and laugh. If ya think they are talking about ya they probably are.) And I'm afraid of being branded a Nazi and thrown out. There ammo is a little cheaper there than Wal-Mart though.

 

[rotorhead]

yeah they got some weird rules there. I had to fill out 7 PAGES of question's to shoot there and do a on site back ground check. Listen I know they want you to know the rules and be safe but 7 pages of redundant questions. I always have to be careful there because me and my son tell each other jokes about people in German ( I know I shouldn't do that and I hate when people look at ya and talk in spanish and laugh. If ya think they are talking about ya they probably are.) And I'm afraid of being branded a Nazi and thrown out. There ammo is a little cheaper there than Wal-Mart though.

lol wow. Sounds like that's the only place for miles that you can shoot at. Not sure I'd put up with 7 pages of stupid questions, yet another background check (you had to do one to get the permits), and put up with some of them rules just to shoot.

As for the few cents you save on ammo, I'd rather give it to some business that was a bit less anal about stuff. It might hurt my wallet a little more, but it would do wonders for my peace of mind.

Oh, and just to be a dick, I'd be in there reciting the entire Illiad by Homer in German if I new it bugged him....at least until he kicked me out

 

[spinner]

Well if they let you say the whole thing you'd be there along time. But that was pretty funny

 

[edrolee]

I Have a question about these indoor ranges that don't allow OC....

does the doors to these places only open from outside the range (and is the door and ALL walls ballistic proof) if not their logic is totally screwed about only them having control of the armed weapons there, what is to stop someone who they rented a automatic weapon to from turning it on them??

it's all about the illusion of controll

 

[spinner]

At handgunners you have to hold your membership card up to a camera which someone inside see's and then hit's a buzzer to let you in, if your not a member you wait a little longer but still get in. But you hit the nail on the head, once your in if you have bad intention's everything is free game. CONTROL is the name of the game. The only thing it gives you is a false sense of security.

 

[rotorhead]

I Have a question about these indoor ranges that don't allow OC....

does the doors to these places only open from outside the range (and is the door and ALL walls ballistic proof) if not their logic is totally screwed about only them having control of the armed weapons there, what is to stop someone who they rented a automatic weapon to from turning it on them??

it's all about the illusion of controll

At the place im talking about, you walk inside the front door of the place then go to the back of the store where there is a guy behind the counter. You fill out a little questionnaire and sign it, then bring it to him and he gives you the lane number to go to (after renting or buying things like glasses, ear plugs, targets, ammo, rental guns, etc).

You then walk inside one door, wait for it to close, then go in the next door into the actual range part. They do it that way to reduce noise coming into the store part.
Both doors are able to be opened from either side.

I dont think they are as concerned with people coming out of the range and lighting the place up as they are trying to reduce accidental shots. This is why I think they have this policy about coming into the store unloaded. But still, to me it sounded pretty hypocritical in a way too.

Ive never talked with the owner there about it. In fact, I rarely go there anyway, I just happened to find a deal on what I wanted, then came back to use the range a few days later bc it's the closest one to my house and I was feeling lazy that day. Normally I go to a friends house some 30 miles away and avoid all the related dumb stuff by shooting behind his place.

 

[smlawrence]

After reading behind everyones posts it sure makes me happier to have my own range in my back yard. Point blank up to 400yds. I allow myself to enter loaded or unloaded. Good luck guys...

 

[sultan62]

So, as much as I hate to do it, I think I'm gonna get my CHP. I'm taking the class tomorrow.

 

[smlawrence]

Good Luck with the class, I on the other hand will pass. Took the class for the training and the certificate but I have one reason to keep me from getting the permit myself. My wife has her's so we are covered when traveling.

 

[sultan62]

Good Luck with the class, I on the other hand will pass. Took the class for the training and the certificate but I have one reason to keep me from getting the permit myself. My wife has her's so we are covered when traveling.

I fully intend to continue to OC. The largest motivating factor for me is that winter is coming up, and I want to be able to throw on a coat without worrying about concealing. I don't want to switch to a drop-leg holster, and it's just not worth the risk to me. I'm still not 100% sure I'll get the permit, but it's well over 90%. I'm really against it.

I do have a couple of questions:

If I'm OCing in NC, do I have to disclose that I have a CHP? Do I have to carry the CHP with me when I am OCing? The law seems to be worded a bit odd, and I have heard conflicting views.

 

[sFe]

I fully intend to continue to OC. The largest motivating factor for me is that winter is coming up, and I want to be able to throw on a coat without worrying about concealing. I don't want to switch to a drop-leg holster, and it's just not worth the risk to me. I'm still not 100% sure I'll get the permit, but it's well over 90%. I'm really against it.

I do have a couple of questions:

If I'm OCing in NC, do I have to disclose that I have a CHP? Do I have to carry the CHP with me when I am OCing? The law seems to be worded a bit odd, and I have heard conflicting views.

You only need the permit and disclosure when you are concealing.

 

[smlawrence]

I fully intend to continue to OC. The largest motivating factor for me is that winter is coming up, and I want to be able to throw on a coat without worrying about concealing. I don't want to switch to a drop-leg holster, and it's just not worth the risk to me. I'm still not 100% sure I'll get the permit, but it's well over 90%. I'm really against it.

I do have a couple of questions:

If I'm OCing in NC, do I have to disclose that I have a CHP? Do I have to carry the CHP with me when I am OCing? The law seems to be worded a bit odd, and I have heard conflicting views.

I would think that since nothing is required to OC without having your CHP, then you wouldn't need it with you or to disclose that you have it when OC'n. Like he said though, to disclose that you have your permit and that the weapon is concealed if is so. If your in your vehicle they will know once they run your plates.

 

[sultan62]

Yeah, that's one thing I don't like. Even if already know (which they will if you're being pulled over in your own vehicle) you have a CHP, you can be penalized for not telling them.

What's that? One more thing wrong with NC gun laws?

What a surprise.