Marco
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call the police from your cell and let them know your location ask/demand a marked car
call the police from your cell and let them know your location ask/demand a marked car
What if an unmarked car pulls up behind you and turns on a blue light? You have no way of knowing the guy is a real cop till you speak with him.
You can run..... submitting that people buy used cop cars and dress them up with blue lights. Your still going to be charged with eluding.
§ 46.2-817. Disregarding signal by law-enforcement officer to stop; eluding police; penalties.
This is a classic case of "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't"
Fortunately.... I have not read about criminals dressing up as cops to do a home invasion so I do not think this should be a big concern.
You mean like OJ's low-speed evasion? No shots were fired.When taking their advise, my only question is: where does fleeing and/or eluding come into this equation?
I don't think shots being fired has anything to do with this. I'm talking about not pulling over until a marked police car arrives, not shooting out a tire, lollockman wrote:You mean like OJ's low-speed evasion? No shots were fired.When taking their advise, my only question is: where does fleeing and/or eluding come into this equation?
Here's everything you didn't want to know about no-knock raids. Frightening stuff....
It is too horrible a specter for me to worry about, I've decided. That story of the old woman is a nightmare, for sure.
I, too, violate no laws. No drugs, no booze, no fights, no nothing...OK, maybe a little speeding on the interstate.
I'm pretty sure that there is a a very low number annuallyof no-knock warrant invasions which are totally in error. Like the one with the 91 year old woman. Maybe less than 50*? I don't really know the number but it is tiny. Of that tiny number, only a fraction (maybe 20-30%) have guns in the home. Of that yet smaller number only a fraction will actually be able to deploy the gun in time to actually do some damage to the intruders....a
So the way I think about it, I have a really really small chance of having it happen to me. The numerator is, maybe, 10 and the denominator is around 110 million. That justifies, forme, ignoring the prospect of it happening.
Mainsail wrote:Here's everything you didn't want to know about no-knock raids. Frightening stuff....
So in 22 years there are a total of 296 negative entries.
Can we find out how many of the same warrants were served in the same time period that were positive and worthwhile?
The world is not perfect...You have only posted the bad stuff.
Now show me the good and we can accurately decide if this type of activity is being abused.
It equates to 13 mistakes a year and I am very confident that more than 1000 no knock warrantsare done on a yearly basis.
HankT wrote:It is too horrible a specter for me to worry about, I've decided. That story of the old woman is a nightmare, for sure.
I, too, violate no laws. No drugs, no booze, no fights, no nothing...OK, maybe a little speeding on the interstate.
I'm pretty sure that there is a a very low number annuallyof no-knock warrant invasions which are totally in error. Like the one with the 91 year old woman. Maybe less than 50*? I don't really know the number but it is tiny. Of that tiny number, only a fraction (maybe 20-30%) have guns in the home. Of that yet smaller number only a fraction will actually be able to deploy the gun in time to actually do some damage to the intruders....a
So the way I think about it, I have a really really small chance of having it happen to me. The numerator is, maybe, 10 and the denominator is around 110 million. That justifies, forme, ignoring the prospect of it happening.
LEO 229 wrote:
Mainsail wrote:Here's everything you didn't want to know about no-knock raids. Frightening stuff....
So in 22 years there are a total of 296 negative entries.
Can we find out how many of the same warrants were served in the same time period that were positive and worthwhile?
The world is not perfect...You have only posted the bad stuff.
Now show me the good and we can accurately decide if this type of activity is being abused.
It equates to 13 mistakes a year and I am very confident that more than 1000 no knock warrantsare done on a yearly basis.
Not bad, if I do say so myself....
Total homes in US = 63,000,000
LEO 229 wrote:
Total homes in US = 63,000,000
That's not right.
Total households is around 105 to 110 million.
LEO 229 wrote:
Total homes in US = 63,000,000
That's not right.
Total households is around 105 to 110 million.
When they do such an attack on a house, correct house or not, I think the bottom line is surrender or die.Their mentality is subdue and capture. And any armed resistors will be shot (killed).The attackers are heavily armed and armored so I think the outcome is pretty well in their favor.
those are good #'s unless your one of those 296So in 22 years there are a total of 296 negative entries.
Nothard to get at all if the cops lie to the judge like they did in Atlanta when they killed the 91 year old granny. Aw, silly me I forgot that the courts have ruled it is OK for the cops to lie.It is hard to get a no knock warrant and you have to have to get a judge to sign off on it. This is obviously designed to prevent the police from doing it all the time.
LEO 229 wrote:those are good #'s unless your one of those 296So in 22 years there are a total of 296 negative entries.
We have far more people killed every year from traffic accidents. Should we either ban cars or limit the speed of cars to 15 mph limit?
We have to look at the odds of being killed before we ban something. We have far more motorists on the road NOT being killed so the few deadly accidents are unfortunately acceptable.
When a human does something... there is a chance someone will be killed. It is tragic but that is how it goes.
If all people were good and never broke the rules... far less people would die at the hands of criminals, reckless drivers, and cops.
That's a cop-out if I've ever heard one. Blaming the people collectively for a few people not being good does not justify the actions of police officers who kill innocent people.
And more people dieing in car accidents is a lousy excuse to continue with an illegal and unconstitutional policy. You can't justify a wrong action by relating it to a more wrong action. That's like saying the holicost wasn't a big deal because more people die for smoking related reasons every year. Therefor we shouldn't question "jew-burning" because it's an innevitability.
When are you going to understand that the odds are insignificant. What is significant is the number 296. That number is too high. 1 is too high. If only 296 alterboys were raped by priests in the same period of time, I'd still reconsider the idea of being an alterboy.
You can't justify these actions by pointing out more common causes of death. The arguement is irrelevant. You seem to be big on the numbers and you don't seem to understand that numbers don't work like that.
Here's why your numbers are wrong:
Are you saying that if I live 30 miles from society in some back-woods area I have the same odds of mistakenly having my door kicked in as I would living in an apartment complex full of illegal aliens and drug dealers?
Tractor accidents on farms cause the highest number of fatalities with tractor overturns accounting for 44 percent of all tractor fatalities.