NVFAC - who is the genious behind this last decision?

[Frantic84]

why are they supporting Clark County when they refuse to fully comply with the laws, and that's not even bringing up the blue card issue!

"MARK YOUR CALENDARS! NVFAC will host our first annual members meeting on February 23, 2013 at the Clark County Shooting Complex"

http://emarketing.colouredstudio.com/ss/1/34a88c3dlv/xnikat8i1i

 

[mbogo470]

They are completely tone deaf.

Remember, the president of NVFAC used to run CCSP (now CCSR).

mbogo

 

[Vegassteve]

We already have another thread on here about this. Some of us who are members are still trying to figure out how we want to handle that day.

 

[The Big Guy]

Please email don@nvfac.org and voice your displeasure. Be civil but firm very firm.

We have discussed if we should boycott the meeting, attend and be vocal, or stand outside handing out flyers asking people not to use the range and why. I guess we need to make a decision shortly.

TBG

 

[varminter22]

Please do not boycott the meeting.

Attend and be heard.

 

[Frantic84]

I assume attending would require joining first. . . If this is what I see from the outside it scares me what I will see if/when I join, and yes I know that if I join I can voice my opinion for said change.

 

[The Big Guy]

I assume attending would require joining first. . . If this is what I see from the outside it scares me what I will see if/when I join, and yes I know that if I join I can voice my opinion for said change.

Join. Does the NVFAC have some growing pains? Yes. Are there things I don't like? Yes. It is very important that we have a voice in Carson City. A united group pushing for real change in the NV firearms laws. We need to have 1 law for all of NV. This means a strong lobby and that means numbers. If for nothing else for campus carry, constitutional carry, rid us of the grandfather clause that makes those of us in Clark County sub citizens and defending our right to own the firearms of our choice.

Join and make your voice heard. Having your voice heard does not mean that you will always get what you want, but you have to look at the big picture. If by joining it gains us just one of the items listed above, it more than makes the $25 worthwhile.

TBG

 

[mbogo470]

They didn't rein Bob Irwin in for his stupid comments regarding how it's easier to buy an 'assault weapon' than a handgun.

mbogo

 

[The Big Guy]

They didn't rein Bob Irwin in for his stupid comments regarding how it's easier to buy an 'assault weapon' than a handgun.

mbogo

Who are they? What information do you have regarding what was or is being done about it? As a member you would have the ability to help vote him out. The two choices you have are act, or point a finger and complain.

TBG

 

[mbogo470]

I was a member. When I complained about Mr. Irwin being a loose cannon, the thread was deleted from the NVFAC forum.

When I complained about that, I was told that forums were not for attacking fellow members (in effect, 'shut up').

I resigned, since leadership was more interested in insulating itself from criticism by members than keeping Bob Irwin from making statements injurious to our cause.

mbogo

 

[Frantic84]

I suppose we could work for a regime change! tax time is here I might join if only to sway the vote!

 

[Vegassteve]

I was a member. When I complained about Mr. Irwin being a loose cannon, the thread was deleted from the NVFAC forum.

When I complained about that, I was told that forums were not for attacking fellow members (in effect, 'shut up').

I resigned, since leadership was more interested in insulating itself from criticism by members than keeping Bob Irwin from making statements injurious to our cause.

mbogo

Yep. I had the same threat against me. They are going to get one more chance from me at this meeting.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

I got a invite from the NVFAC (as most probably did) to attend the Valentines day event. I do not know if my response was sent to anyone in particular, but it said Don Turner, Here is my response:

I wish I could support the CCSC however Clark county insists on registering gun owners As if they were sex offenders. The day I cease to be treated like a sex offender is the day I support the shooting complex.

I think I need to make a sign for Monday that says "REGISTRATION IS FOR COVICTED SEX OFFENDERS"

 

[The Big Guy]

I got a invite from the NVFAC (as most probably did) to attend the Valentines day event. I do not know if my response was sent to anyone in particular, but it said Don Turner, Here is my response:


I think I need to make a sign for Monday that says "REGISTRATION IS FOR COVICTED SEX OFFENDERS"

I let them know also. (Not as if they don't already know where I stand on this issue.) I would hope that anyone else who feels strongly about this issue will also let Don Turner know. There is strength in numbers. Write don@nvfac.org.

TBG

 

[Vegassteve]

I got a invite from the NVFAC (as most probably did) to attend the Valentines day event. I do not know if my response was sent to anyone in particular, but it said Don Turner, Here is my response:


I think I need to make a sign for Monday that says "REGISTRATION IS FOR COVICTED SEX OFFENDERS"

They have something on the 14th? I didnt get a email then. Maybe I got booted out for speaking out and just dont know it yet?

 

[Vegassteve]

I let them know also. (Not as if they don't already know where I stand on this issue.) I would hope that anyone else who feels strongly about this issue will also let Don Turn know. There is strength in numbers. Write don@nvfac.org.

TBG

I have. And of course he turns a blind eye. Defends the county and in my view went so far as to defend the law.

 

[Vegassteve]

I guess I just dont get it according to the MAN. I didnt know the desert had operating hours.



QUOTE" You just don't get that having MORE shooters makes us more influencial. 47% of Clark County owns guns and had no public place to shoot. The desert was closed. A hour wait at the public range shows how many people use it. The county management didn't want to have the range, the PUBLIC demanded it. If you had your way there would be no public range and the county would be happy not having a range to deal with. We need more shooters, more shooters means more people concerned about their rights, more people concerned means more pressure to change the laws, more pressure means the laws will get changed. Pretty simple to me.

Anyways, for the rest of the members, we are having our first annual meeting at the Clark County Shooting Complex. We have a very critical legislative year, so please stay connected, sharpen your pencils (power up your keyboards) and let's make a difference with out gun laws this year!"

 

[varminter22]

I think reference being made to:

12.04.230 - Discharging unlawful—Exceptions.

It is unlawful to wilfully discharge any pistol, firearm, air gun, musket or instrument of any kind, character or description which throws a bullet or missile of any kind for any distance by means of the elastic force of air or any explosive substance within that area legally described below and depicted by the shaded areas on the map labeled Attachment A, adopted herewith as signed and dated by the chairman of the board of county commissioners and available for public inspection in the commission division office of the county clerk. The areas in the county where it is unlawful to willfully discharge a firearm, excluding shooting ranges, or a sanctioned event by federal, state, county or an incorporated city currently licensed by business license, are generally located within the entire unincorporated towns of Whitney, Paradise, Spring Valley, Sunrise Manor[,] and Winchester [and Goodsprings], the urbanized areas of Lone Mountain and Enterprise, Goodsprings, Sandy Valley, Blue Diamond, Calico Basin, the area south of State Route 157 in Section 1 and all of Section 12, Township 19 South, Range 59 East, the proposed Apex Heavy Industry Zone, Las Vegas Dunes Recreation Area, the Sunrise Mountain Natural Area, Rainbow Gardens and the River Mountain area between Henderson and the Lake Mead Recreation Area north of Boulder Highway.​

The specific locations where it is unlawful to willfully discharge a firearm are legally described below. In the event that the general description conflicts with the specific legal description, the legal description shall be controlling.

Legal description of the areas included within this section are: Township 21 South, Range 58 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 24, 25, 26 excluding that portion included in the Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area. Township 19 South, Range 59 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 12, 13, 24, 25, 36. Township 20 South, Range 59 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 1, 12, 25 excluding those portions in the incorporated City of Las Vegas. Township 21 South, Range 59 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. Sections: 4, 6 excluding those portions included in the Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area. Township 22 South, Range 59 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 24. Township 19 South, range 60 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 18, 19, 29, 30, 31, 32. Sections: 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, 33, 34, 35 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Las Vegas. Township 20 South, Range 60 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 24, 25 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Las Vegas. Township 21 South, Range 60 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. Sections: 1 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Las Vegas. Township 22 South, Range 60 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. N 1/2 Sec 30. Township 23 South, Range 60 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 12, 13, 24, 25. Township 19 South, Range 61 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 26, 27, 35 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of North Las Vegas. Township 20 South, Range 61 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 19, 20, 36 excluding those portions included in the incorporated cities of Las Vegas and North Las Vegas. Township 21 South, Range 61 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. Sections: 1, 7, 8, 9 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Las Vegas. Township 22 South, Range 61 east, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34. Sections: 12, 13, 24, 26 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 23 South, Range 61 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 30. Section: 11 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 19 South, Range 62 East, Mount Diablo, Base Meridian, all of Sections: 23, 28. Sections: 14, 21, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of North Las Vegas. Sections: 12, 25, 26, 28, 29, 32, 33, 34, 35 excluding those portions included in Nellis Air Force Base and Gunnery Range. Township 20 South, Range 62 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 33, 34, 35, 36. Section: 6 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of North Las Vegas. Sections: 1, 2, 4, 5, 10, 11, 15, 16 excluding those portions included in Nellis Air Force Base. Township 21 South, Range 62 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30. Sections: 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 22 South, Range 62 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Sections: 1, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 17 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, that portion of Section 32 west of U.S. Highway 93 excluding that portion included in the Bureau of Land Management Wilderness Study Area NV050-217, Fish and Wildlife #3. That portion of Section 33 west of U.S. Highway 93. Township 18 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 4, 9, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, 32, 33, 34, 35. Sections: 3, 4, 10, 11, 13, 14 west of U.S. Highway 93. Section: 31 excluding those portions included in Nellis Air Force Base Ground Gunnery Range. Sections: 5, 8, 19, 29, 31 excluding those portions included in the Bureau of Land Management Wilderness Study Area NV-050-217, Fish and Wildlife #3. Township 19 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 35, 36. Sections: 27, 28, 29, 30, 34 excluding those portions included in Nellis Air Force Base. Section 20 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of North Las Vegas. Township 20 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36. Sections: 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 excluding those portions included in Nellis Air Force Base. Township 21 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 25, 26, 30, 35, 36. Sections: 22, 28, 29, 33 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 22 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 2, 11, 12, 13, 24, 25, 36. Sections: 5, 6, 7, 14, 18, 23, 26 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Henderson. Township 23 South, Range 63 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, N 1/2 of Section 2 excluding those portions included in the incorporated cities of Henderson and Boulder City. Township 18 South, Range 64 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 18, 19, S 1/2 of Section 7, N 1/2 of Section 20. Township 21 South, Range 63 1/2 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 1, 12, 13, 14, 25, 36. Township 22 South, Range 63 1/2 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, Section 1 excluding those portions included in the incorporated City of Boulder City. Township 24 South, Range 58 East, all of Sections: 25, 26. Township 24 South, Range 56 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 9, 10, 14, 15, 23, 24, 25. Portions of Sections: 16, 21, 22, 26, 27, 35, 36, lying northeasterly of the Nevada/California State border. Township 24 South, Range 57 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 31, 32, 33. Township 25 South, Range 56 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, that portion of Section 1, lying northeasterly of the Nevada/California State border. Township 25 South, Range 57 East, Mount Diablo Base Meridian, all of Sections: 3, 4, 5, 9. Portions of Sections: 6, 7, 8, 16, 17, 21, 22, lying northeasterly of the Nevada/California State border. (Ord. 2427 § 1, 2000: Ord. 1562 § 1, 1994: Ord. 1173 § 1, 1989: Ord. 997 § 1, 1986: Ord. 413 § 1, 1973: Ord. 392 § 1, 1972: Ord. 351 § 1, 1970: Ord. 290 § 1, 1968: Ord. 118 § 1, 1960) (Ord. No. 3807, § 1, 9-1-2009)​

Being from the north, I'm not familiar with the common desert shooting areas that are frequently mentioned in this forum.

But it sure appears there is much of Clark County where shooting is prohibited by either county, city or feds.

http://gisgate.co.clark.nv.us/gisplot_pdfs/cp/illegalfirearms.pdf

 

[Vegassteve]

I think reference being made to:



Being from the north, I'm not familiar with the common desert shooting areas that are frequently mentioned in this forum.

But it sure appears there is much of Clark County where shooting is prohibited by either county, city or feds.

http://gisgate.co.clark.nv.us/gisplot_pdfs/cp/illegalfirearms.pdf

I live 40 mins from the county range. I am not out in the wilderness mind you. I am close to summerlin, but by the time I drive to the park it's 40 mins. On a good day. I am equally as far and closer to any number of places in the open desert to shoot. So his argument about the closing of the desert or other free land is moot. Don was a player in the county park he had and had a vested interest in it. I on the other hand as a tax payer have the same if not more interest. I pay taxes that helped build it and continue to pay them to support the money suck of a park. They are the only park that charges for use yet are still underwater . If the largest gun group in Nevada wants to make a dent this was the chance. They blew it.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

Don's response.

David,

Understand. As I stated before, the more people we can get to shoot, the more support to change the law.

Best wishes,

Don