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OC ban at Capitol, public demonstrations proposed

solus

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Dave, good to see your smile for the year...

However reading the bill attached to your cite,
House's & Senate's bill states it is strictly for firearm, er, weapons & absolutely nothing about open carry on
"State capitol grounds or any building located on state capitol grounds."

Senate's bill 5038, filed late Dec 2020, defines "Demonstration" means conduct by one or more persons communicating or expressing views or grievances which has the effect, intent, or likelihood of attracting a crowd."
and​
'...it is unlawful for any person to knowingly open carry a firearm or any weapon as described in this chapter while participating in or attending any demonstration being held at a public place.

so one citizen constitutes a demonstration?

further per sec1b, your visible knife sticking of your pocket is also forbidden as is "...or other similar weapon that is capable of causing death or bodily injury."

also interestingly your cite states:
Openly carried weapons had been banned from both House and Senate public viewing areas and public hearing rooms at the Capitol a few years before that, according to previous reporting from The Associated Press.

as personally brought up on this and other WA related firearm forums over the years...why in bloody sam hill have the august firearm carrying citizens of the evergreen state continuously allowed these savants to remain in office as well as allowed the idiotic "initiative" process to persist in crippling what the majority of this nation's firearm carrying citizenry enjoys?

did you post in the PI or the NT about your distain of this senate bill or even on WAGun forum under your "workman corner"?

as stated dave, good to see your smile for the year?
 

color of law

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This is what is proposed to be added to the law.
(2)(a) Unless exempted in (c)of this subsection, it is unlawful or any person to knowingly open carry a firearm or any weapon as described in this chapter while participating in or attending any demonstration being held at a public place. This subsection (2)(a) applies whether the person carries the weapon on his or her person or in a vehicle.

(b)It is unlawful for any person to knowingly open carry a firearm or any weapon within 1,000 feet of a demonstration at a public place after a duly authorized state or local law enforcement officer advises the person of the demonstration and directs the person to leave until he or she no longer possesses or controls a weapon. This subsection (2)(b) does not apply to any person possessing or controlling any weapon inside a private dwelling, building, or structure.

(c)Duly authorized state and local law enforcement officers and personnel are exempt from the provisions of this section when carrying a firearm in conformance with their employing agency's policy.

(d)For purposes of this subsection, the following definitions apply:

(i)"Demonstration" means conduct by one or more persons communicating or expressing views or grievances which has the effect, intent, or likelihood of attracting a crowd. "Demonstration" includes, but is not limited to, a march, rally, vigil, sit-in, or picketing. "Demonstration" does not include casual use of property by visitors or tourists which does not have an intent or likelihood of attracting a crowd.

(ii)"Public place" means any site accessible to the general public for business, entertainment, or other lawful purpose. A "public place" includes, but is not limited to, the front, immediate area, or parking lot of any store, shop, restaurant, tavern, shopping 36center, or other place of business; any public building, its grounds, or surrounding area; or any public parking lot, street, right-of-way, 38sidewalk, public park, or other public grounds.
Simplistically unconstitutional. Open carry is a first amendment statement.
 

MSG Laigaie

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SOLUS said "as personally brought up on this and other WA related firearm forums over the years...why in bloody sam hill have the august firearm carrying citizens of the evergreen state continuously allowed these savants to remain in office as well as allowed the idiotic "initiative" process to persist in crippling what the majority of this nation's firearm carrying citizenry enjoys?"

I think I can answer that my friend. I spent many years attempting to sway leftist/anti-firearm thought from spreading in Washington State. Everyone agreed, everyone "supported", but when it came to election day, they were few and far between. Most washingtonians talk a good game, but when it comes to the ballot box they are sadly lacking. Look at the voting statistics for the past ten years, abysmal. You have heard me state, on more than one occasion, that Citizenship is a Verb. We cannot afford, as a Counrty, the take over and destruction of the US Constitution.
 

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Per, http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2021-22/Pdf/Amendments/Senate/5038-S AMS VAND S1370.2.pdf

The "added" offending section from SENATE bill 5038 - revised

(2)(a) Except as provided in (c) of this subsection, it is
33 unlawful for any person to openly carry a firearm or other weapon as
34 described in this chapter at any permitted demonstration. This
35 subsection (2)(a) applies whether the person carries the firearm or
36 other weapon on his or her person or in a vehicle.
37 (b) It is unlawful for any person to openly carry a firearm or
38 other weapon within 250 feet of a permitted demonstration after a
39 duly authorized state or local law enforcement officer advises the
40 person of the permitted demonstration and directs the person to leave

1 until he or she no longer possesses or controls the firearm or other
2 weapon. This subsection (2)(b) does not apply to any person
3 possessing or controlling any firearm or other weapon on private
4 property owned or leased by that person.
5 (c) Duly authorized federal, state, and local law enforcement
6 officers and personnel are exempt from the provisions of this section
7 when carrying a firearm or other weapon in conformance with their
8 employing agency's policy. Members of the armed forces of the United
9 States or the state of Washington are exempt from the provisions of
10 this section when carrying a firearm or other weapon in the discharge
11 of official duty or traveling to or from official duty.
12 (d) For purposes of this subsection, the following definitions
13 apply:
14 (i) "Permitted demonstration" means either: (A) A gathering for
15 which a permit has been issued by a federal agency, state agency, or
16 local government; or (B) a gathering of 15 or more people who are
17 assembled for a single event at a public place, including a march,
18 rally, vigil, sit-in, or picketing, which has been declared as
19 permitted by the chief executive, sheriff, or chief of police of a
20 local government in which the gathering occurs.
21 (ii) "Public place" means any site accessible to the general
22 public for business, entertainment, or another lawful purpose. A
23 "public place" includes, but is not limited to, the front, immediate
24 area, or parking lot of any store, shop, restaurant, tavern, shopping
25 center, or other place of business; any public building, its grounds,
26 or surrounding area; or any public parking lot, street, right-of-way,
27 sidewalk, public park, or other public grounds.
 

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Government infringement, a prior restraint, on the 1A as well as the 2A. It will take a court case to remind the state that infringements will not be tolerated...reminding the electitariat is required...it is WA...and the citizenry, most of them anyway...long ago abdicated their individual liberties in the name of social order.
 

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Government infringement, a prior restraint, on the 1A as well as the 2A. It will take a court case to remind the state that infringements will not be tolerated...reminding the electitariat is required...it is WA...and the citizenry, most of them anyway...long ago abdicated their individual liberties in the name of social order.
Unfortunately, I have zero faith in our state Supreme Court. They continually display their far left bias.
 
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