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Trooper charged after shooting man during traffic stop

vermonter

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RE: Post - "Jumpy state agents trained to shoot first and ask questions later"

In many circumstances of bad LE shooting I would agree with this statement. I watched the video. The guy gets out of car in an agressive manner - you NEVER get out of a car when stopped. The guy then lunges into the car and spins around.

CCW's in SC beware. Do not shoot anyone in self defense -- even if you are 100 % right. If they are willing to throw their own trooper under the bus then they will go after Joe CCW'er and try to put him in jail. This is NOT a Ferguson incident where the circumstances are not clear. This Trooper was JUSTIFIED. I would have done the same thing, but it would have been more than one round!
 

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In many circumstances of bad LE shooting I would agree with this statement. I watched the video. The guy gets out of car in an agressive manner - you NEVER get out of a car when stopped. The guy then lunges into the car and spins around.

CCW's in SC beware. Do not shoot anyone in self defense -- even if you are 100 % right. If they are willing to throw their own trooper under the bus then they will go after Joe CCW'er and try to put him in jail. This is NOT a Ferguson incident where the circumstances are not clear. This Trooper was JUSTIFIED. I would have done the same thing, but it would have been more than one round!

The "guy" was not getting out of the vehicle for a stop, he was just getting out of his vehicle. I don't see how that can be considered aggressive, maybe you need new glasses. The trooper did not even call a stop in, a good indication he decided to turn a non incident into a incident. The victim was out of his vehicle before the patrol car even stopped moving. There were no reflections off of glass indicating that lights were turned on. The trooper was a idiot, a jittery dangerous idiot.
 

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The cop asked for license and the man automatically reached for his right rear pocket . He then realized his billfold was still in car and went after it . I can understand the cop going on high alert at that point but he started shooting as the guy was coming back out of the car and hadn't completely turned around yet.

This was a bad shoot and the cop should get at least 20 years behind bars. Todays LEOs are way to trigger happy.
 

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In many circumstances of bad LE shooting I would agree with this statement. I watched the video. The guy gets out of car in an agressive manner

You mind giving a time stamp on the video as to when the victim "aggressively" exited his vehicle AFTER he was properly stopped? Be reminded, you are required to prove that the victim was STOPPED legally before you say another word, otherwise your claim is worthless.

- you NEVER get out of a car when stopped. The guy then lunges into the car and spins around.

Again, you must now prove without a doubt that the victim was legally stopped before you make such a judgement. I saw no "lunge" of any kind. I also saw no "spin." You are now sensationalizing your argument, using hyperbole to support a false claim, etc.

CCW's in SC beware. Do not shoot anyone in self defense -- even if you are 100 % right. If they are willing to throw their own trooper under the bus then they will go after Joe CCW'er and try to put him in jail. This is NOT a Ferguson incident where the circumstances are not clear. This Trooper was JUSTIFIED. I would have done the same thing, but it would have been more than one round!

Guess what would have happened if it were ME instead of an unarmed subject, and you instead of the former cop?

You are BRAINDEAD. You have no right to use your grossly inaccurate judgement to tell the fine people of South Carolina how they are "allowed" to defend themselves.
 

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"Guess what would have happened if it were ME instead of an unarmed subject, and you instead of the former cop"?

If you were dumb enough to get out of your car instead of doing EXACTLY what Massad Ayoob reccomends and I flet a threat - Guess What!

I'll bet you are part of the same group that thinks George Zimmerman was justified!
 

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Mr. Truth,

A an open carrier I would like to see you do what this guy did and see what happens. I suppose you also advocate reaching in to pick up your firearm b/c you have a constitutional right to have it on your person and forgot to holster before you got out of the vehicle?

Anyone who carries and does not do exactly what it taught in this video risks force by a police officer an deserves everything he gets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVReVYMLH7E
 

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"Guess what would have happened if it were ME instead of an unarmed subject, and you instead of the former cop"?

If you were dumb enough to get out of your car instead of doing EXACTLY what Massad Ayoob reccomends and I flet a threat - Guess What!

I'll bet you are part of the same group that thinks George Zimmerman was justified!

What in the world does GZ have to do with any of this? You're just blindly attacking me now. I asked an open ended question, you answered it for yourself and then chastised me for your made-up answer and assumption about my character. Pointless drivel.

Mr. Truth,

A an open carrier I would like to see you do what this guy did and see what happens. I suppose you also advocate reaching in to pick up your firearm b/c you have a constitutional right to have it on your person and forgot to holster before you got out of the vehicle?

Anyone who carries and does not do exactly what it taught in this video risks force by a police officer an deserves everything he gets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVReVYMLH7E

Now you're really talking out of your hind parts. OC is also illegal in South Carolina. Thanks for the YouTube video though. I'll be sure and live my life based solely on what the most popular YouTube videos tell me to do. If I get shot for any reason, it'll be my fault. BRILLIANT! :banghead:

Why do most irrational people resort to extremely weak strawman arguments? I dun getit... but then again if I am who you are painting me out to be, I shouldn't really care, right?
 

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31 y/o trooper. Got a medal for doing good, while shooting his company issued gat after responding to a bank job. Apparently he has not practiced enough lately, or the last shooting he was in, where he was praised, was greatly exaggerated.

Assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature, not attempted homicide/murder?
 

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31 y/o trooper. Got a medal for doing good, while shooting his company issued gat after responding to a bank job. Apparently he has not practiced enough lately, or the last shooting he was in, where he was praised, was greatly exaggerated.

Assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature, not attempted homicide/murder?

Yeah, it's a travesty.
 

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Bumping this for awareness. Unarmed, hands up, following directions, cop charged with ABHAN.
 

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Add this to the list of unarmed people, most of them while surrendering, who have been killed by police.

Mike Brown

this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY5Z_OFn5hs

this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AG_-EXd9Es

this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0rf2OIOxLw

this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YlepdVfiZo

this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ins9VAo-xLY

this guy, holding a baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMDIK4bOpwk

this guy, watering his neighbor's lawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6S7LRrCru8

Only took me about 5 minutes to find these 7 links on YouTube. It's that easy to find this fascist garbage.
 

OC for ME

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“I pulled him over for a seat belt violation,” Groubert is heard telling that publicly unidentified person.


“Before I could even get out of my car, he jumped out. Stared at me.


“And as I jumped out and identified myself as I approached him, he jumped headfirst back into his car.


“I started retracting back towards the rear of his vehicle, telling him, ‘Get out the car. Let me see your hands.’


“He jumped out of the car. I saw something black in his hands,” Groubert says. “I ran to the other side of the car yelling at him and he kept coming towards me.


“Apparently it was his wallet he jumped in there after,” the trooper says.

http://www.islandpacket.com/2014/10/03/3351267_longer-video-has-more-details.html?rh=1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/sean-groubert-fired-arrested_n_5879694.html
Simply amazing.
 
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