United Airlines kerfuffle

[mikeyb]

Has everyone heard about the United Airlines kerfuffle? Removing female passengers because they were wearing leggings (tights)? It got tweeted by our favorite busybody Shannon Watts. Turns out that once again she mouthed off about situations that she didn't have facts on. Isn't that the norm for her?

Yay for Shannon shooting holes in her canoe!

https://www.boston.com/news/nationa...for-leggings-united-airlines-defends-decision

 

[bc.cruiser]

Not 'passengers' but de facto employees subject to corporate dress code.

Where did you come up with this? I did not see any report saying the two "young teens" were anything other than family members utilizing passes.


I loved Watts making an ass of herself, again.

 

[mikeyb]

Where did you come up with this? I did not see any report saying the two "young teens" were anything other than family members utilizing passes.


I loved Watts making an ass of herself, again.

They were not "passengers" in the sense of paid passengers. They were using passes, which come with certain requirements. One is to follow the United dress code. Which they probably didn't know.

The idiot Shannon wasn't even on this flight, she overheard the business from a neighboring gate.

 

[ADulay]

As much as the younger generation hates it, there is a dress code in the corporate world.

If you are an airline employee on a "pass", you will adhere to the simple rules and dress code in order to use those tickets.

I had to do it. My wife had to do it. My parents had to do it.

The rules are simple. Dress is business casual (or it was at the time I was doing it) and do not flash around the fact that you're flying First Class for free.

If you're on a pass and show up in jogging pants and a tee-shirt, you'll be watching your flight leave without you.

Those are the rules.

Want to slum it while you fly to California? Pay for your own ticket and have at it.

AD (happily retired, thank you)

 

[bc.cruiser]

They were not "passengers" in the sense of paid passengers. They were using passes, which come with certain requirements. One is to follow the United dress code. Which they probably didn't know.

The idiot Shannon wasn't even on this flight, she overheard the business from a neighboring gate.

You misunderstood my question; Nightmare quite adequately answered it. Thanks.

 

[WalkingWolf]

I don't care if they were paid passengers or not. Private property, their rules. Don't like them, then take a bus.

 

[mikeyb]

I don't care if they were paid passengers or not. Private property, their rules. Don't like them, then take a bus.

I do wish airlines had a bit more strict dress code for passengers.

 

[SFCRetired]

I do wish airlines had a bit more strict dress code for passengers.

After having seen some of the things I saw on my recent trips to China and returns, I wholeheartedly agree! Seems to be more applicable to Americans and some European countries.

 

[countryclubjoe]

I remember when folks use to wear a blazer/sport coat tie and fedora to the ball park for a baseball game... God I wish the term " what goes around comes around were really true" I long for the days when folks showed each other respect by dressing apropos for their gender..

Bring back the 50s---

My .02
Regards
CCJ

 

[JamesCanby]

I remember when folks use to wear a blazer/sport coat tie and fedora to the ball park for a baseball game... God I wish the term " what goes around comes around were really true" I long for the days when folks showed each other respect by dressing apropos for their gender..

Bring back the 50s---

My .02
Regards
CCJ

I find it curious that you long for the traditions and civility of the past while deriding the precepts and tenets of our Founders as being non-germane to the present....

 

[OC for ME]

Deriding may be the wrong term...disagree with may be more accurate. Some folks would that The Founding Document were not written as plainly as it is...namely judges.

 

[JamesCanby]

Deriding may be the wrong term...disagree with may be more accurate. Some folks would that The Founding Document were not written as plainly as it is...namely judges.

Which is why Original Intent is so very important.

I (and many of my contemporaries) have a difficult time reading a book entitled "Morals and Dogma" written in 1871 by Albert Pike because he assumed that the people reading it would be as educated in the liberal arts and sciences as he was. Over time, we have lost much of the context of the language used back then by those very well-educated writers. It is necessary, therefore, that the founding documents be analyzed in the language and usage of the day to infer intent, and not try to make that inference based on what has changed in our society over the last 200+ years.

 

[countryclubjoe]

I find it curious that you long for the traditions and civility of the past while deriding the precepts and tenets of our Founders as being non-germane to the present....

My intent is not to deride the precepts and tenets of our founders, not at all.. I am simply pointing out that the document is not to be so plainly read..

There are eight thousand words in the US Constitution however they only begin to map out the basic ground rules that actually govern our land..

Quick examples, the idea that racial segregation is inherently unequal does not explicitly appear in the terse text.. The First Amendment prevents "Congress" from abridging various freedoms, but the Amendment does not expressly protect theses freedoms from abridgment by the president or state governments... None of the Constitution's early amendments explicitly limits state governments. Although everyone today refers to these early amendments as " the Bill of Rights"... Now think about this, the phrase " Bill of Rights" is absent from the terse text.

Kind Sir, I have been reading and pondering the Constitution since folks actually wore a suit and a fedora at baseball games and somehow I always am amazed at its beauty and its complexities.. I have learned to read beyond, and around and over the original text. The founders I feel would have wanted us to do so.. Liberty of thinking is not referenced in those eight thousand words however thinking about those words is what keeps the Constitution alive today..

Your civil discourse is welcomed Sir and I mean no disrespect when and if I disagree with your way of thinking.. Sharing ones thoughts whether we agree or disagree educates us all.

Now Im putting on my suit and fedora and heading out to the ball park, is two bucks enough for a beer and hot dog. LOL

Regards
CCJ

 

[OC for ME]

My intent is not to deride the precepts and tenets of our founders, not at all.. I am simply pointing out that the document is not to be so plainly read..

Why not! Quick example...shall not be infringed. Some have done as you advocate and not read the document plainly...this is the singular problem with judges having absolute immunity. Or politicians not holding these judges to account for clear violations of the constitution's language. See Terry v. Ohio. See qualified immunity. See absolute immunity. Relying on other judges, or prosecutors, or cops to police themselves is a fools errand.

There are eight thousand words in the US Constitution however they only begin to map out the basic ground rules that actually govern our land..

That is all that is required. It is up to our elected representatives to do our bidding...or else, via loss of job. Judges have, from day one, worked to erode the plain meaning of the words used. Especially egregious is the fact that SCOTUS was undermining the constitution before the ink was dry.

 

[Logan 5]

If United GAVE me a FREE First Class Ticket, hell I'd dress like the damned toothfairy, if they wanted! That's not a cheap ticket. SLC to LA coach is around $140 r/t, First Class is more like $1,400.

 

[KBCraig]

If United GAVE me a FREE First Class Ticket, hell I'd dress like the damned toothfairy, if they wanted!

If United gave me a free ticket, I'd try to exchange it for Southwest.

United sucks in so many ways, and their customer service ratings have been tanking for years.

 

[mikeyb]

If United GAVE me a FREE First Class Ticket, hell I'd dress like the damned toothfairy, if they wanted! That's not a cheap ticket. SLC to LA coach is around $140 r/t, First Class is more like $1,400.

It wasn't a "free" ticket, but I get the sentiment. If there are conditions, you better well follow them.

 

[DeSchaine]

United has bigger problems than just booting people for leggings....

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/...ter-airline-reportedly-overbooked-flight.html

The headline is a bit misleading. They pulled the people off the flight so their OWN employees could get to work on time. The flight wouldn't have been "overbooked" if not for that.

 

[solus]

United has bigger problems than just booting people for leggings....

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/...ter-airline-reportedly-overbooked-flight.html

The headline is a bit misleading. They pulled the people off the flight so their OWN employees could get to work on time. The flight wouldn't have been "overbooked" if not for that.

then in the article i read...United is looking into the allegations...really you need to look into it as the story is on the news and twitter feeds...

oh and one customer is bloodied being escorted off the flight.
ipse

 

[mikeyb]

United has bigger problems than just booting people for leggings....

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/...ter-airline-reportedly-overbooked-flight.html

The headline is a bit misleading. They pulled the people off the flight so their OWN employees could get to work on time. The flight wouldn't have been "overbooked" if not for that.

Yup. Big PR boo-boo. My wife was a former flight attendant, and she was pretty appalled that this happened. I understand "overselling" a flight to make sure that the flights are full, but perhaps airlines shouldn't be on such a thin margin that 3 or 4 seats means ultimate doom for the airline (obviously 3-4 seats per 150 routes adds up, but so does $3-4 more per ticket over 150 routes times ~200 passengers/avg).