WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Pot Kettle Black! :lol::lol::lol:
YES you did! You posted you would transport because the person did not talk to you! That is not RAS or PC! You gave no indication of anything other than that! You are dishonest!
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What is the charge for lying to a police officer in Virginia?
- Thread starter BillB
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YES you did! You posted you would transport because the person did not talk to you! That is not RAS or PC! You gave no indication of anything other than that! You are dishonest!
Primus
Regular Member
Fuller Malarkey
Regular Member
Cops do this everyday. Police are trained to lie and deceive in order to increase arrest activity. Trained to trick people into incriminating statements. This frequently uses the old ruse of "good cop bad cop", harassing the citizen into statements that can be misconstrued and used to step up further violations of their rights and freedoms. Who here hasn't seen cops, in real life, on video or in pictures, belly bumping and high fiving each other after engaging in deceitful, weasle-like behavior?
....and as far as "baiting" for response, Primus is without doubt the Master Baiter on this forum.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Snip from Primus in this very thread.
Citizen- I want a lawyer am I being detained!?
Officer- ok now your being placed in handcuffs and will be transported back to the scene of the crime for a "bring back" ID.
Citizen- I want a lawyer am I being detained!?
Officer- ok now your being placed in handcuffs and will be transported back to the scene of the crime for a "bring back" ID.
Primus
Regular Member
Umm ok? The guy would already be detained based on RAS that he met the description of the suspect.
Lol try again
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Fuller Malarkey
Regular Member
Further making the case that talking isn't going to get you out of an arrest, and any further conversation can and will be used to build a stronger case against you.
So boys and girls, right from an unspecified end of the horse...don't talk to police. It ain't gonna help.
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WalkingWolf
Regular Member
NOPE! You claimed you would let that guy go based on talking to you, then you changed it that you would transport if the same guy did not talk to you. RAS and PC have nothing to do with talking to a police officer. If there is RAS there is no need to gather info other than name and DOB. If there is PC to transport nothing the suspect can say should change that.
The only reason to let someone go who is a suspect is if there is NO RAS, or PC. Letting a person go because they say they didn't do it is stupid. Arresting them because they invoke their rights is just as stupid.
Primus
Regular Member
Lol
There's a reason you always pull things from posts and attack them..if you reposted the whole thing you would see if the guy had given clear evidence he wasn't/couldn't be the guy then he would be kicked loose. If he can't won't gibe evidence he isn't the guy then you have to gather info another way.... like a victim ID.
Im kind of flattered you feel this strongly about me that you try so hard.
Especially since we are talking about hypothetical situations lol
Its been fun ww but I've got some guns to go buy. So enjoy your day.
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You make some good points, but the real problem is how many times we hear that the conversation does not start out this way.
PistolPackingMomma
Regular Member
I've noticed something disturbing underlying Primus's posts.
He infers that if only the guilty need their rights; "if you're guilty, don't talk to us, if you aren't, speak up, it won't hurt you".
And he has implied the threat that if you do not cooperate, you will be taken in. As if the cop determines guilt based on compliance instead of RAS.
Given his conclusion that only the guilty should exercise silence, one wonders what judgement he passes on someone who doesn't fall over themselves to "assist" his investigation, and how he will punish them.
He infers that if only the guilty need their rights; "if you're guilty, don't talk to us, if you aren't, speak up, it won't hurt you".
And he has implied the threat that if you do not cooperate, you will be taken in. As if the cop determines guilt based on compliance instead of RAS.
Given his conclusion that only the guilty should exercise silence, one wonders what judgement he passes on someone who doesn't fall over themselves to "assist" his investigation, and how he will punish them.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
LMAO! If you feel flattered having a spotlight shined on you, then you need help more than I originally thought.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Thank You!
Your conclusions are the same as mine, and probably most on here.SFCRetired
Regular Member
Bottom line is that nothing you say to ossifer Friendly can be used for you, but everything you say can and will be used against you in court.
The safest thing for a citizen encountering a police officer is to answer only those questions that the law demands you answer and then shut your mouth.
The safest thing for a citizen encountering a police officer is to answer only those questions that the law demands you answer and then shut your mouth.
JamesCanby
Activist Member
Roger that! It seems lately that everyone feels the need to jump in to let us know what their state's law is, or to continue their bashing war with another poster... it's getting kind of old.
Fuller Malarkey
Regular Member
It's fairly well accepted by most non-statists that conversations with police are best had once you have legal counsel present. I don't think that concept is limited to encounters where you are the subject of investigation. Even victims, it seems, can benefit from legal counsel when dealing with police.
The city of Lynnwood will pay $150,000 in a settlement with a rape victim, after Lynnwood police claimed she lied about the attack in 2008.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140116/NEWS01/140119310/Lynnwood-settles-with-rape-victim-for-$150K
Here, a rape victim was intimidated into retracting her statements and charged with lying to police about being attacked and raped. Her attacker was later arrested, and found in his possession were photo images of the victim and her ID. He was sentenced to 327.5 years in prison for his acts as a serial rapist. The Lynnville, Wa. victim was as much brutalized by the police as she was her serial rapist attacker.
It would appear victims need to use caution when dealing with police. Serious issues may warrant seeking out legal counsel or a legal advocacy. I understand we can't judge all police on these ever increasing number of isolated incidents [for the record, isolated incident 88,691, however, I won't include that because it throws statists into a tizzy], yet too much indicates we are walking on thin ice when talking to police. So why do that if we have other options? I understand in the heat of a crisis, we don't think as clear as we should, and it's easy to fall back on ingrained myths out of desperation. That's why I feel it's a good idea to discuss our options before we are put to the test.
It would seem victims in particular need legal advice when issues are critical, as you can't tell which type of police officer will show up at your crisis. Will you get one that places blame on the victim, or one that believes establishing dominance is more important than restoring order and helping?
The city of Lynnwood will pay $150,000 in a settlement with a rape victim, after Lynnwood police claimed she lied about the attack in 2008.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140116/NEWS01/140119310/Lynnwood-settles-with-rape-victim-for-$150K
Here, a rape victim was intimidated into retracting her statements and charged with lying to police about being attacked and raped. Her attacker was later arrested, and found in his possession were photo images of the victim and her ID. He was sentenced to 327.5 years in prison for his acts as a serial rapist. The Lynnville, Wa. victim was as much brutalized by the police as she was her serial rapist attacker.
It would appear victims need to use caution when dealing with police. Serious issues may warrant seeking out legal counsel or a legal advocacy. I understand we can't judge all police on these ever increasing number of isolated incidents [for the record, isolated incident 88,691, however, I won't include that because it throws statists into a tizzy], yet too much indicates we are walking on thin ice when talking to police. So why do that if we have other options? I understand in the heat of a crisis, we don't think as clear as we should, and it's easy to fall back on ingrained myths out of desperation. That's why I feel it's a good idea to discuss our options before we are put to the test.
It would seem victims in particular need legal advice when issues are critical, as you can't tell which type of police officer will show up at your crisis. Will you get one that places blame on the victim, or one that believes establishing dominance is more important than restoring order and helping?
Old Virginia Joe
Regular Member
Looks like to me, reading the weblink you gave, that is PASSED, and was signed, to make lying a crime. What am I missing?
Repeater
Regular Member
What you are missing is the difference between the bill, as INTRODUCED, and the final bill that became law.
JoeSparky
Centurion
Just spent 8 hours with an attorney today who advised us this:
NEVER TALK TO STRANGERS! A LEO attempting to engage you in a Consensual or higher level stop IS A STRANGER!
NEVER TALK TO STRANGERS! A LEO attempting to engage you in a Consensual or higher level stop IS A STRANGER!
JoeSparky
Centurion
Sorry, but I am concerned with ANYONE that thinned skinned being armed with ANYTHING much less a power tool!