ShooterMcGavin
Regular Member
I was recently reading the traffic stop thread where Freedom1Man brought up a very good point in his post here:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...top-Scenario&p=1894638&viewfull=1#post1894638
Here is the RCW:
RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.
(b) Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so. Any violation of this subsection (1)(b) shall be a class 1 civil infraction under chapter 7.80 RCW and shall be punished accordingly pursuant to chapter 7.80 RCW and the infraction rules for courts of limited jurisdiction.
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.
(3)(a) A person at least eighteen years of age who is in possession of an unloaded pistol shall not leave the unloaded pistol in a vehicle unless the unloaded pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.
(4) Nothing in this section permits the possession of firearms illegal to possess under state or federal law.
1a clearly states that we must carry a CPL when we carry concealed in those circumstances. That is clear.
1b states "Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license" and continues with "shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person" ...continued... "when and if required by law to do so."
Where is there a section that answers the question "when" must we display our CPL to an officer. The law implies that there is a time when we must display our CPL, but it doesn't say when that time is. We must carry our CPL when we are carrying concealed. We must display our CPL to an officer "when and if required by law to do so", that is clear. Ok, when are we required to do so?
More on this... Let's read it another way:
"Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer" ...continued... "or to any other person when and if required by law to do so."
I think I have answered this question on my own, after rephrasing it in the latter format. There is no loophole here, that I see. Any other thoughts on this one, or is this issue now closed?
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...top-Scenario&p=1894638&viewfull=1#post1894638
Here is the RCW:
RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.
(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.
(b) Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so. Any violation of this subsection (1)(b) shall be a class 1 civil infraction under chapter 7.80 RCW and shall be punished accordingly pursuant to chapter 7.80 RCW and the infraction rules for courts of limited jurisdiction.
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.
(3)(a) A person at least eighteen years of age who is in possession of an unloaded pistol shall not leave the unloaded pistol in a vehicle unless the unloaded pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.
(4) Nothing in this section permits the possession of firearms illegal to possess under state or federal law.
1a clearly states that we must carry a CPL when we carry concealed in those circumstances. That is clear.
1b states "Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license" and continues with "shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person" ...continued... "when and if required by law to do so."
Where is there a section that answers the question "when" must we display our CPL to an officer. The law implies that there is a time when we must display our CPL, but it doesn't say when that time is. We must carry our CPL when we are carrying concealed. We must display our CPL to an officer "when and if required by law to do so", that is clear. Ok, when are we required to do so?
More on this... Let's read it another way:
"Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer" ...continued... "or to any other person when and if required by law to do so."
I think I have answered this question on my own, after rephrasing it in the latter format. There is no loophole here, that I see. Any other thoughts on this one, or is this issue now closed?