Metalhead47
Regular Member
Without a basis in natural law it has no real validity. As an example, what does it matter if I jay walk on an empty road? or travel at 140mph down the interstate in rural Nevada where there are no fellow motorists? Who is being wronged? who is even being endangered? Unless someone is harmed the government has no just power to punish a person. Such laws are on the level with sodomy laws, and laws against selling liquor on certain days. There is no victim yet there is a person deserving of punishment? Your arguments smack of progressivism, which seeks to go around the constitution and eliminate liberty.
Careful now, calling me a progressive.... them's fightin' words 'round here. Labeling someone or their ideas "progressive" simply because they do not walk in lock step with your own, well... that smacks of Ameriican liberalism to me.
Yes, there IS a victim when a person behaves recklessly and actively endangers the safety of those immediately around him in a definite, measurable way.
Metalhead,
My turn for the cell phone... LOL
To reiterate a bit. I have no problem with a law that may clarify who shall yield the right of way or what have you as a firm guide. If there is no one to yield to though, no harm, no foul. What I take issue with is having the law "enforced" instead of what we used to have in the peace officer days. There's no reason the government needs to be involved if no one has been wronged.
The burden of being responsible should be on the individual citizens. Having "Law enforcement" write out tickets to someone that's done no harm is like San Francisco forcing McDonalds to remove toys from their happy meals instead of parents just telling their kids no.
A better response probably could be had from my computer of course..
Now that I have a proper keyboard (but limited time)...
Hey y'know what? You're right about the "peace officer" thing. The police should be reformed back to such a concept. Maybe the traffic enforcement aspect should be completely separated from "police work" as such. I know some states have something akin to that for accident response.
What y'all are saying is all well & good, but it's got one glaring problem: It WILL NOT and CANNOT work here in the real world. Driving isn't like sailing or riding a horse. You have hundreds or thousands of vehicles moving very quickly mere feet apart in a narrow corridor. And that's before one figures in pedestrians and intersections even. Most people can't properly negotiate a simple four-way stop sign. You want to turn them loose on the highways with no rules?
What you're telling me is akin to me going down to Westlake where that bunch of twits are "occupying" (there's not nearly as many as the news makes it out either), setting up a shooting target, and plinking away. It's OK as long as I'm a good shot today & don't miss right? Not actually harming anyone after all.