- Jun 5, 2014
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...self-defense&p=2175853&viewfull=1#post2175853Oh yes Yahweh is a vengeful, wrathful, violent and inconsistent god indeed.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...self-defense&p=2175977&viewfull=1#post2175977It is important to recall that Yahwey's wrath is not about people, it is about the sin that people commit. When considered with that fact remembered, there is no inconsistency on the part of God or of His wrath.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...self-defense&p=2176014&viewfull=1#post2176014Yes those pesky children that were wiped out by a flood or killed by his chosen children because they were born on a plot of land he promised them.
Wrathful against sin he gets to define, demanding a blood sacrifice yet if he was the all powerful he could have just made man perfect again.
As StealthyEliminator pointed out in his response on the original thread, God provided via His own Son the "demanded blood sacrifice" and thus provided a way to avoid the wrath. One merely needs to accept it.
However, lets deal with "those pesky children" first. Whether killed by a flood or killed by His "chosen" - they fall into 2 groups.
The first, children accountable to God for their sins are treated no different than the adults - Romans 6:23 defines the "wages of sin" as "death". This however only applies to those who have the capacity to discern between good and evil, who have the ability to know what is acceptable before God and what is not. Thus they also have the ability to discern the "escape clause" provided by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and can choose to accept the gift of salvation.
That leaves those too young or otherwise incapable of comprehending the concepts of right and wrong, of action and repercussion. What of them? Especially as some were "wiped out by a flood or killed" - what does the Bible say regarding children in that situation? One can look at Ezekiel 16: 20-21 as well as passages in Matthew (Chapters 18 and 19) to see that those who "have never seen light" or as deemed as "children" are given rest and belong to heaven - thus the Bible states that such children (even those aborted per Ezekiel) are not forced to go through a negative judgment.
Summary: If your old enough (speaking mental maturity - not chronological age) to know the difference between good and evil, your old enough to also choose salvation. If you are not old enough to know the difference, then you are deemed innocent by God and go to heaven.
Given that the flood was in response to the earth being "filled with violence" and "all flesh had corrupted" (See Genesis 6: 11-13), God determined to destroy the earth and all in it. Had every "child" (as defined above) grown to maturity, how few or many would have chosen to act righteously before God? It definitely wasn't 100% - thus the flood SAVED the souls of all those children not yet "grown" to responsibility! Not only was the flood a corrective action - it was also a MERCIFUL act that spared an untold number of children from growing into unsaved adults who would then face judgement before God and be found wanting. While I can not claim to know the Mind of God, the logical conclusion is that even in what many consider to be a most heinous act based on human standards (and recall, attempting to judge God by human standards is ludicrous on its face) - the action in fact SAVED untold numbers of souls and would - in human parlance - be making the best of a bad situation. Once eggs are broken, one can still make a pretty good omelet, and it would APPEAR from a human perspective that the flood was exactly that - taking a massive screw up by humans and turning it into the best possible outcome *spiritually speaking) in the "long run".
Regarding the children who were killed because they were born on a plot of land....
Gentiles in the Old Testament were still able to become saved. While many believe Christianity started with Jesus, Christianity started well before the arrival of Jesus on this earth. The difference between the Jew and the Gentile is one of ceremonial law and "birth" - but ALL people were (and are) created by God and thus have the ability to be redeemed through Jesus - even prior to His coming to earth and dying for sins. One need only look to OT Biblical examples of Gentiles becoming Christian (as choosing to believe in Yahweh and thus the promise of redemption to come). Examples include Ruth, Nebuchadnezzar and Rahab. So if they were "mature" as discussed above, they had the opportunity to be saved. If not, then they were - according the Bible - counted as saved.
What happens to us on this "level of existence" matters much to us, so I doubt anyone (children or adult) appreciated being killed, but those saved I doubt bear a grudge against the Lord for it happening. Neither I, nor anyone else living can speak to how their soul will view it through the lens of eternity, but I kind of doubt they will be grumpy about it forever and ever while in heaven... Just sayin...
For those that doubt salvation before Jesus, feel free to note how Genesis 3:14, Genesis 15:6, Acts 10:43, Titus 2:11, Romans 4:5 and 1st Peter 1:18&19 make clear that the promise of salvation through Christ existed before the first human ever died - thus making salvation truly available to every human that ever lived.
Hardly something a "vengeful, wrathful, violent and inconsistent" God would provide. On the contrary, God's consistently has despised the sin of man, and consistently offered a way to escape the "wages of sin". Every human merely chooses for themselves whether they wish to face the vengeful (and RIGHTEOUS) violent wrath of God, or instead accept the greatest of loving Gifts He provide through the Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ.