I'm not a Muslim, but I do have to say these two questions are leading and somewhat offensive. The first because the notion a group should have to proactively distance themselves from terrorists implies you think without such an action, they are implicitly linked. The second because it's the same ******** concern trolling that's already happened in two other treads and addressed thoroughly.
The questions are not, and would not be "offensive" if they were simply taken at face value, as they were meant to be applied. The implication is not to associate all of Islam with the actions of a few, but merely to provide substantiation to those who immediately link Islam, with terrorist activity.
I do
not believe that all of Islam is indicitive of terrorism, and vice-versa.
Group association based on a small group of extremists is asinine. It's the same as blaming all Americans for the acts of a soldier/group of soldiers who inappropriately tortures a POW. Unless a person or group is actively saying "yeah, terrorism is awesome and justified in the name of the sky wizard!" you should presume the group does not support such barbarism.
Ah but the correlation here is not the same. You cannot state that it is comparable to Abu-Ghraib, when in direct response to said incident, the US Military as a whole was apologetic, and rejected the idea that this kind of treatment would EVER be acceptable.
A good parallel would be Muslim leaders speaking out
AGAINST the activities of terrorist organizations on a regular basis, compounding the ideology that they espouse that they are indeed a "Religion of Peace".
If the US Army failed to release any statement whatsoever in regards to the terrible actions at US Prison Camps in Iraq/Afghanistan, that would be a good comparative to modern Islam.
SO the questions were asked in absolutely appropriate context.
I would appreciate if they could be answered.
As for the last bit, you beg the question when you say "ideologically speaking, represents the same extremists." No, a muslim community center does not represent those extremists any more than the YMCA represents the crusaders or modern christian terrorists.
There is no disconnect in many minds. That is the purpose of this thread.
To provide a solid answer instead of deflecting the questions through ad-hominem, and strawman attacks, is the purpose. To say nothing, is indicitive of a whole other thing.
I mean no intellectual harm to anyone through the asking of questions in this venue. I merely am posing the questions so we can use them as a reference.
So here is my question now...
Where are the simple answers? Why are you deflecting?
It's intellectually dishonest to suggest a link or association, and pulling out the "it's insensitive" bullcrap is wearing thin. Know what's really insensitive? People like you who are calling Muslims terrorist supporters or representatives of extremists because they want to build a f'ing community center in a place they have every right and reason to. That is insensitive, not the planned Muslim community center.
Where did I call somebody a "terrorist supporter"?
Will you kindly, politely, step back from the computer and take a look at your hostile approach?
Did you even take half a second to think about your reply, or what I posted?
Drop the attitude.
Drop the ad-hominem.
Drop the BS.
Simply answer the questions.
Is this so hard to ask?
Is it so hard to ask the average everyday Muslim what he thinks about these extremists acting out in the name of their religion?
Less deflection. More honest answers.
Thanks!
You obviously didn't read any of my comprehensive posts.
I read many of them. I found the ones about verses that were clearly taken way out of context very interesting, even if I do not agree with everything you have stated.
#1 - This question asks about someone's belief, irregardless of facts. (which I have given you extensively on this question)
You have not. I am asking for a well rounded, intellectualized response to a very legitimate question.
Can you answer it?
#2 - Anyone who agrees they are 'terrorist' will feel the same way, so your question is flawed. (you realize terrorist and their supporters don't consider themselves terrorist?)
I did not ask for your round-about, deflecting, poorly constructed response you have given here. I asked quite clearly for the response of a peace loving Muslim to give their personal insight. Nothing more, nothing less.
Keep dancing around though.
#3 - See Townos's post. One is not required to prove his innocence. This concept fundamentally violates the principles America was founded on..
Piss poor response again.
When you have such a rampant amount of terrorist organizations operating under the guise of "islam", it would behoove, and damn near become a necessity to distance onesself from those who perform these hateful acts.
Let me type this in plain English so you can comprehend this...
I AM NOT STATING YOU, OR ALL ISLAMIC PEOPLE ARE TERRORISTS. I AM ASKING WHAT, IF ANY STEPS, HAVE THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM DONE TO DENY THE LEGITIMACY OF SAID ACTIONS. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY PUBLIC STATEMENTS, SPEECHES, OR OTHERWISE?
God damn man, nothing more, nothing less.
- See Townos's post. also, wtf? Terrorist 'ideology' isn't based in Islam. It is simply cloaked in it.
This is actually the entire point of this thread. Not your mindless bantering and attacking me.
#5 - False premise. Not only have I disproved this, I've talked about the origins of "Sharia Law" which mostly isn't based on the Qu'ran.
I believe you. I am merely providing a forum with which you can annotate why this is something you do not agree with. Instead, you went on the attack, in the worst possible way. Shaming yourself in the process.
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You repeatedly use the same false premises, no matter how much it's been pointed out to you. It is obvious you've not paid attention to anything I've written in the past. If you had you wouldn't of insulted me with these questions.
OH HOW DARE I INSULT YOU WITH QUESTIONS?!?! IGNORANT PIGDOG I AM!
Moreover the reason you keep returning the argument to this 'insensitive' ******** is because you've been whipped soundly on all other fronts. Why you can't be open and honest with yourself, that you have a prejudice born out of ignorance, and use this as a learning and growing experience is beyond me. Man up already.
I have been "soundly whipped"? WTF are you talking about?
Have you even taken a second to read my posts?
I said to build the damn thing. I do agree the timing is off, and I personally feel the followers of Islam could do a bit better to express to the world their disgust with terrorist actions under the guise of of their faith. That's it though.
Have an Islam party in the damn thing I don't care. LOL
Also, nice try in trying to paint me as "ignorant" or "prejudice". That's absolutely amazing. Did you come to this conclusion all by yourself?
Stop trying to attack my character. Good job in blowing up an innocent thread though.
One simple word of advice to you guy.
Slow down, read, and don't get your panties in a twist.
This was meant to be a positive thread which you just took a big, steaming, piling crap in.
Frankly, I am not surprised.