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Comp-tech wrote:
HankT wrote:
Comp-tech
wrote:
....I'm just not willing to bet my life on
Many people do. But you don't have to.
Didn't mean to "ruffle feathers" there HankT.....kinda sounded like you were concerned about AD/saftey issues while carrying a loaded Glock....just trying to state how safe a weapon system they are.
Being partially disabled, I want ALL the advantage over a BG that I can safely have
None ruffled, C-T. I
am concerned about AD/ND issues with the Glock, which is a fine weapon design AFIAC. It's just that dman trigger... I know that Glocks simply will not discharge unless that trigger is pulled (or pushed) back. I really like the 1911 model design with the thumb and grip safeties. If I could get aGlock with amechanical thumb safety, I'd carry that in Condition One. I definitelydo see that carrying one in the pipe is very popular. I think that's a good tactic and part of asound SDregimen.
But, I think SD regimens can vary, productively so, for our individual philosophies, talents, needs, weaknesses, and preferences.
Comp-tech
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The only issue I have with your version of "gun as last resort" (while I agree, lethal last) scenario is this........
In a parking lot, at the gas pump, wherever, a guy or guys walk toward you, you are alert-condition red, one of them ask for directions, the time, points out something hanging from underneath your vehicle........your condition level comes down slightly, you relax a bit, they seem like "decent Joes" as the conversation continues......
by now they are/he is within a few feet......WELL inside the 21 or so feet it takes to draw, aim, fire from a "ready" weapon.....no time to rack if situation turns to shit.
I could be wrong but, I believe something along these lines would be the most likely SD scenario (car jacking, strongarm robbery) that the average citizen may face while "out about town" ....just my .02 YMMV
Any thoughts?.........
Well, that's
the tough scenario. The one where the guy(s) is close enough to very rapidly reach out and touch you, you're outnumbered...and you still aren't fully alert or fully armed. Very tough.
A regimen inclluding Condition Three carry will definitely be less effective in that regard in that scenario. No doubt about it.
Unless...one can be prepared to surprise the closest assailant--with a blow, a movement, a diversion...something. That would be part of my plan. Of course, if the guy(s) shows a pistol before I can get to mine, it's a life or death situation and I'm already in a world of trouble, whether I'm in C3 or C1.
My plan involves at least 3 types of surprises, a) abrupt movement--away or lateral--attracting as much attention as I can if the area is populated. (If I see a weapon, I will be pulling my concealed carry here, b) If my piece is pulled, I will be pointing it at someone. My Crimson Trace laser will let that someone have an opportunity to reflect on the danger
he isin, although that reflection may only last a very brief moment if he is armed, c) if it's too late, the guy is on me, I gofor a thrust to his throat and a kick to his knee--then I move and draw (if I can) and go to b). In your scenario, I rack the slide anytime in b). I even have the option of not racking it at all if there is really no danger.
Of course, I reject the proferredscenario for me. I wouldn't fall for the ploy. I'm not letting those guys near me. If they are hovering about my vehicle, maybe I hit the panic switch to get some attention. Or I walk back into the gas station convenience store. OrI use my cell phone to call for the weather...
But I thank you for your scenario C-T since it's great to go through it mentally because there are plenty of other scenarios where the structure is very similar. I've considered a lot of those scenarios. It amazed me how many get resolved favorably (for me) by a) staying out of range of attack to begin with, or b) fleeing.
Overall, too, I believe in deterrence as a major component in a SD regimen. A lot of my effort goes into being a not attractive target.
The carjacking situation is a much different scenario, IMO. The circumstances and dynamics are much different. I'd love to talk and think about various scenarios in that realm.
I think the most likely occurrenceto meet someonewho is a threat of the kind that civiliangun carry isuseful for will be a the strongarm robber or thearmed robber who is hitting the retail establishment you just happen to be in.