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I just got in our first batch of 5,000 cards. I've already gone through 1/4 of them. Will be going through many more and ordering many more. Conservatively we will have 10s of 1,000s of these made. Perhaps we can even get into the 100s of 1,000s. THAT would be something.

check this out:

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http://www.icarry.org/store/product_info.php?products_id=108

The images on the screen do not do them justice. They look so much better in real life. I'm very excited about these :D

The first 6 words on the card, as you can see, are "OPEN CARRY" IS LEGAL IN WISCONSIN. It then directs the reader to our site for more info.


Let me know what you guys think!

http://www.icarry.org/store/product_info.php?products_id=108
 

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SAK wrote:
I just got in our first batch of 5,000 cards. I've already gone through 1/4 of them. Will be going through many more and ordering many more. Conservatively we will have 10s of 1,000s of these made. Perhaps we can even get into the 100s of 1,000s. THAT would be something.

check this out:

comb786.jpg


http://www.icarry.org/store/product_info.php?products_id=108

The images on the screen do not do them justice. They look so much better in real life. I'm very excited about these :D

The first 6 words on the card, as you can see, are "OPEN CARRY" IS LEGAL IN WISCONSIN. It then directs the reader to our site for more info.


Let me know what you guys think!

http://www.icarry.org/store/product_info.php?products_id=108
I am not sure I like the part that says " Conceal Carry will only allow law abiding people who are safe to carry pistols." This is not a true statement.
 

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Passing a CCW law would only effect (allow) law abiding citizens. Unless I am missing something.
 

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Fact is criminals will continue to conceal carry forever. Therefore , just because a CCW bill passes, it does not mean that only law abiding and safe people will be concealed carrying a pistol.

Just think that statement is a little misleading that's all. Otherwise it is a nice card.
 

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J.Gleason wrote
I am not sure I like the part that says " Conceal Carry will only allow law abiding people who are safe to carry pistols." This is not a true statement.
I agree that it is not always a true sentence, and that lying is not the way to go about it, but I don't think lying was the intent here.

Besides, I think it adds a nice touch. When concealed carry passes, I have no doubt it will include a permitted system, including taking a class to carry concealed. I don't agree with it, but realistically that's what I see happening. That being said, would you rather have EVERY legal citizen carrying if you're on the fence, or every SAFE citizen carrying if you're on the fence?
 

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Dear , xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx


It ( CCW ) is something we are working on and it is currently in drafting, but with the current make-up of the State Legislature and the fact that Governor Doyle is still in office, it is unlikely we will be able to get this Legislation passed this Session. As we are one of only two states without concealed carry, passage is longer overdue. Hopefully, the 2010 elections will bring the changes necessary to the makeup of the Legislature so that we can pass this important Legislation and get it signed into law.

Rep. Scott Gunderson
83[sup]rd[/sup] Assembly District
 

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Everybody keeps talking about "when CCW passes." I have said it before, and will say it again; we already have 72 mentions of the word firearm in Wisconsin State Statutes, we DON'T NEED ANY MORE! We don't need any new laws, we should be working to REPEAL the laws we have, not make new ones. We have hashed this, and re-hashed this ad nausium, we don't need any new laws.

There are only a hand full of people who know there are 72 mentions, and I would bet the farm NO-ONE can cite all 72 from memory. So, why on earth would anybody favor MORE RESTRICTIONS!

We need to get everybody to sign the petition, and then work to rid ourselves of the Vehicle carry and GFSZ crap.
 

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bnhcomputing wrote:
Everybody keeps talking about "when CCW passes." I have said it before, and will say it again; we already have 72 mentions of the word firearm in Wisconsin State Statutes, we DON'T NEED ANY MORE! We don't need any new laws, we should be working to REPEAL the laws we have, not make new ones. We have hashed this, and re-hashed this ad nausium, we don't need any new laws.

There are only a hand full of people who know there are 72 mentions, and I would bet the farm NO-ONE can cite all 72 from memory. So, why on earth would anybody favor MORE RESTRICTIONS!

We need to get everybody to sign the petition, and then work to rid ourselves of the Vehicle carry and GFSZ crap.
ok, I agree with you, but if will NEVER fly. I just emailed , Rep, Gunderson an idea.. this what I got back.... So, let's stop wasting our time talking about getting laws taken off the books.

Scott's response >>

That wouldn’t have the necessary support because there wouldn’t be a background check/licensing process.

MY IDEA TO Rep, Gunderson >>
I had a thought, back in the 1870's ish.... Wisconsin]
passed a law making concealed carry Illegal , wouldn't it be easier to repeal that old obsolete law & get it off the books ? Criminals Concealed carry right now , if that law was repealed, then anyone could concealed carry , law abiding too, not just the bad guys

My reply to his reply.

I do understand what you are saying, but this sounds like it's all about how much money CCW can make for the state. the thousands of criminals, thugs, felons & drug dealers that do currently carry concealed & prey upon the unarmed masses, don't have to bother with background checks & licensing processes.

So why should - We the people have to ? Legislators want to be able to control who has the permits & make money off of CCW for the state , yet they have no control over the fact that criminals are CCW right now & are making no money from them in regards to permits & no one has a clue who they are.

So , honest citizens get punished with expensive back ground checks, finger printing, permits & training classes & criminals get rewarded with a free, unregulated concealed carry, that makes no sense at all. The right to keep and bear arms , says nothing about permits & I would guess that the law that was passed in the 1800's, would now be found unconstitutional if challenged in the state supreme court.

Just my .02 cents.
 

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I don't know how the heck this thread went off topic like this. I hope these discussions can be taken elsewhere. The cards simply say "when concealed carry was adopted." This doesn't necessarily mean a permitting system, although that is a very real probability for Wisconsin.

Back to the cards. We've gone through thousands of them yesterday and today!!! THOUSANDS of informational cards to be put in the hands of new people for the right to carry movement. I can't wait.

If you haven't gotten yours yet, get em. It's $5.99 including postage for 100 cards! Not a bad deal (we're just selling them at cost!). Let's spread the word here. Arguing on this forum won't get us very far, but distributing information, getting new people onto the website, getting them connect to our newsletter, being able to communicate with them, get them at public (open carry) events, etc. THIS will help.

Talk is cheap, speak with actions :)
 

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bnhcomputing wrote:
Everybody keeps talking about "when CCW passes." I have said it before, and will say it again; we already have 72 mentions of the word firearm in Wisconsin State Statutes, we DON'T NEED ANY MORE! We don't need any new laws, we should be working to REPEAL the laws we have, not make new ones. We have hashed this, and re-hashed this ad nausium, we don't need any new laws.

There are only a hand full of people who know there are 72 mentions, and I would bet the farm NO-ONE can cite all 72 from memory. So, why on earth would anybody favor MORE RESTRICTIONS!

We need to get everybody to sign the petition, and then work to rid ourselves of the Vehicle carry and GFSZ crap.
Amen Brother!
 

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J.Gleason wrote:
bnhcomputing wrote:
Everybody keeps talking about "when CCW passes." I have said it before, and will say it again; we already have 72 mentions of the word firearm in Wisconsin State Statutes, we DON'T NEED ANY MORE! We don't need any new laws, we should be working to REPEAL the laws we have, not make new ones. We have hashed this, and re-hashed this ad nausium, we don't need any new laws.

There are only a hand full of people who know there are 72 mentions, and I would bet the farm NO-ONE can cite all 72 from memory. So, why on earth would anybody favor MORE RESTRICTIONS!

We need to get everybody to sign the petition, and then work to rid ourselves of the Vehicle carry and GFSZ crap.
Amen Brother!
I second that.
 

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Geoff wrote:
J.Gleason wrote:
bnhcomputing wrote:
Everybody keeps talking about "when CCW passes." I have said it before, and will say it again; we already have 72 mentions of the word firearm in Wisconsin State Statutes, we DON'T NEED ANY MORE! We don't need any new laws, we should be working to REPEAL the laws we have, not make new ones. We have hashed this, and re-hashed this ad nausium, we don't need any new laws.

There are only a hand full of people who know there are 72 mentions, and I would bet the farm NO-ONE can cite all 72 from memory. So, why on earth would anybody favor MORE RESTRICTIONS!

We need to get everybody to sign the petition, and then work to rid ourselves of the Vehicle carry and GFSZ crap.
Amen Brother!
I second that.
I agree, I won't hold my breath , but I agree with you all.
 

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Glock34 wrote:
Geoff wrote:
J.Gleason wrote:
bnhcomputing wrote:
Everybody keeps talking about "when CCW passes."  I have said it before, and will say it again; we already have 72 mentions of the word firearm in Wisconsin State Statutes, we DON'T NEED ANY MORE!  We don't need any new laws, we should be working to REPEAL the laws we have, not make new ones.  We have hashed this, and re-hashed this ad nausium, we don't need any new laws.

There are only a hand full of people who know there are 72 mentions, and I would bet the farm NO-ONE can cite all 72 from memory.  So, why on earth would anybody favor MORE RESTRICTIONS!



We need to get everybody to sign the petition, and then work to rid ourselves of the Vehicle carry and GFSZ crap.

 
Amen Brother!
I second that.
I agree, I won't hold my breath , but I agree with you all.

I live in Arkansas and the only way one can carry is CC and with all the permits and costs. My wife and I both took our CC class at $75 each the going rate is $100. Finger printing $20, $5 for two cards each. Sent to State $144.25 each for a 5 year permit after that another $ for classes whatever going rate is and $65 each for another 5 years. We could not afford all of this at once so we took the class at different times and I am still waiting for my CCP. We bought the guns in Feb and I still can't carry mine yet.
A state Rep, here in Ar, introduced a bill that would allow unregulated(with out needed a permit) OC. One reason was the effect the permits have on the poor but it was shot down because, "if they can afford the gun they can afford the permit."
My question is why do you need permitted CC when you have unregulated OC (other than the GFSZ). Fight for just "carry" and don't settle for anything less because they may start to regulate OC along with it. You have nothing to loose except the right to OC.
In my opinion OC deters crime more than CC anyway.

CC carrying makes me feel as if I am doing something dirty. Like have to hide the fact I have the right to protect my wife and children, but I must because it's the law.
Now I have nothing against CC if that is what a person wants to do but I would much rather OC. All I am saying is be careful for what you ask.
 

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Packer fan wrote:
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My question is why do you need permitted CC when you have unregulated OC (other than the GFSZ). Fight for just "carry" and don't settle for anything less because they may start to regulate OC along with it. You have nothing to loose except the right to OC.
In my opinion OC deters crime more than CC anyway.

<snip>
Exactly!
But we have a few members that are concerned about them being able to carry in other states, so they start whining about wanting permits.
Our biggest hurdle is car-carry. If I dod not need to unload and case and reverse the process everytime I get in & out of my truck, I would have no complaints.
 

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Nutczak wrote:
Packer fan wrote:
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My question is why do you need permitted CC when you have unregulated OC (other than the GFSZ). Fight for just "carry" and don't settle for anything less because they may start to regulate OC along with it. You have nothing to loose except the right to OC.
In my opinion OC deters crime more than CC anyway.

<snip>
Exactly!
But we have a few members that are concerned about them being able to carry in other states, so they start whining about wanting permits.
Our biggest hurdle is car-carry. If I dod not need to unload and case and reverse the process everytime I get in & out of my truck, I would have no complaints.



Whining? Ok, I'll whine a little bit. I don't say much here (see my post count), I mostly just read what others have to say. Time to say something, I guess.

Just because you may never leave WI, doesn't mean that those of us WI residents who do travel are "whining" about your Vermont carry scheme.

I'm not far from you, BTW. I own a business that requires me to do numerous service calls in the U.P. of MI, mostly for the U.S.Forest Service and the Lac View Desert casino and other tribal entities.There's only one wayyou or I can carry in MI, and that's with a "resident" permit. My current FL & MN non-resident permits are useless in MI. I have a daughter who lives in MN. I travel there frequently too, thus I have a MN permit (so does she). I have a sister in FL. I travel there on occasion too, usually by car (there's a lot of states between WI & FL that require a permit to carry).

While most here favor "Vermont" style carry over a mandatory permit to CC, I favor a "compromise" situation... "Alaska" style carry. What I advocate includes - OC in WI will not change, CC in WI without a permit would be legal, but for those who travel and need a resident permit, a shall-issue permit issued by a WI govt entity (making it a valid resident permit) would be available to those WI residents who want one.Having one permit in my wallet that would cover the states I currently needseveral expensivenon-resident permits to cover, would be preferrable. To get the maximum reciprocity out of such a resident permit, I do advocate mandatory training, background check, and fingerprints, too, to obtain a WI resident "traveling" CC permit. Without these mandatory measures, which are common throughout most "shall-issue" states, maximum reciprocity would not be achieved, thus making a WI permit redundant.
 

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safcrkr wrote:
Nutczak wrote:
Packer fan wrote:
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My question is why do you need permitted CC when you have unregulated OC (other than the GFSZ). Fight for just "carry" and don't settle for anything less because they may start to regulate OC along with it. You have nothing to loose except the right to OC.
In my opinion OC deters crime more than CC anyway.

<snip>
Exactly!
But we have a few members that are concerned about them being able to carry in other states, so they start whining about wanting permits.
Our biggest hurdle is car-carry. If I did not need to unload and case and reverse the process everytime I get in & out of my truck, I would have no complaints.



Whining? Ok, I'll whine a little bit. I don't say much here (see my post count), I mostly just read what others have to say. Time to say something, I guess.

Just because you may never leave WI, doesn't mean that those of us WI residents who do travel are "whining" about your Vermont carry scheme.

I'm not far from you, BTW. I own a business that requires me to do numerous service calls in the U.P. of MI, mostly for the U.S.Forest Service and the Lac View Desert casino and other tribal entities.There's only one wayyou or I can carry in MI, and that's with a "resident" permit. My current FL & MN non-resident permits are useless in MI. I have a daughter who lives in MN. I travel there frequently too, thus I have a MN permit (so does she). I have a sister in FL. I travel there on occasion too, usually by car (there's a lot of states between WI & FL that require a permit to carry).

While most here favor "Vermont" style carry over a mandatory permit to CC, I favor a "compromise" situation... "Alaska" style carry. What I advocate includes - OC in WI will not change, CC in WI without a permit would be legal, but for those who travel and need a resident permit, a shall-issue permit issued by a WI govt entity (making it a valid resident permit) would be available to those WI residents who want one.Having one permit in my wallet that would cover the states I currently needseveral expensivenon-resident permits to cover, would be preferable. To get the maximum reciprocity out of such a resident permit, I do advocate mandatory training, background check, and fingerprints, too, to obtain a WI resident "traveling" CC permit. Without these mandatory measures, which are common throughout most "shall-issue" states, maximum reciprocity would not be achieved, thus making a WI permit redundant.

I am fine and in full agreementwith what you spelled out,
I would be so friggin thrilled that I would go outside and do naked snow-angels until my buttcheeks froze together. (
It is a good day for that)
My problems lies with the people that want mandatory training for in-state Concealed-Carry.
Just curious, What are the firearms laws for non-natives in LVD? Because I know non-natives are prohibited from possessing any firearm on tribal land in both theLDF, & LCO reservations.

Michigan is a screwed up case, their current laws prohibit WI residents from carrying a sidearm, but the people of Illinois do have that privelage due to their unique FOID card requirements. So I see this as more of a Michigan Problemwhich leaves usno recourse. To get anything changed we need to rely on the resident of MI to get the changes done so WI residents can exercise our 2A rights in their state. I think WI should just annex the U.P.. It would make more sense for it to belong to WI anyways!
 

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"There's only one way you or I can carry in MI, and that's with a "resident" permit. My current FL & MN non-resident permits are useless in MI."

Not true, you can open carry carry in Mi without permit. Go to the Michigan forum they are handing out tri-folds.

Just because Wis may issue CCP does not mean that any state has to honour it. I have an Ar. CCP and I can't CC in Wy, N.M., Ill., Ia., and those are some of the states I must travel through. As a matter if fact I can't even OC in Ia. or Il. and I have a CCP.

Let's pray that the Supreme Court rules that the 2A means what it says and we don't need all these nonsense laws.

All I am saying is be careful for what you are asking.
 

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I am sorry Wisconsin, but I think that Wisconsin will not pass any Concealed Carry Law, nor will it issue Concealed Carry Permits, for atleast a few more years.

However, I think there is a good chance of working instead to have 941.235 through 941.24 changed.

The foremost priority for Wisconsin should be, atleast in my opinion, to ensure that The Milwaukee Democrat does not introduce Legislation to repeal the current State-wide Preemption Law 66.0409.

I guarantee you, Wisconsin, this will probably come up when The State Legislature reconvenes next year.
 

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Nutczak wrote:
Just curious, What are the firearms laws for non-natives in LVD? Because I know non-natives are prohibited from possessing any firearm on tribal land in both theLDF, & LCO reservations.

Michigan is a screwed up case, their current laws prohibit WI residents from carrying a sidearm, but the people of Illinois do have that privelage due to their unique FOID card requirements. So I see this as more of a Michigan Problemwhich leaves usno recourse. To get anything changed we need to rely on the resident of MI to get the changes done so WI residents can exercise our 2A rights in their state. I think WI should just annex the U.P.. It would make more sense for it to belong to WI anyways!




AFAIK, there is no such prohibitions on "non-natives" in LVD. Because LVD is in MI, and MI has CC, there are signs at the casino entrances saying "no firearms" are allowed in casinos.Other than that, they follow MI state firearm laws. I didn't know there wasany firearm prohibitions on "non-natives"in LDF & LCO. I was told by tribal police in LDF that they followed WI firearms laws to the letter, and had no seperate gun laws.I've never been to LCO... I don't work that far west, Park Falls is my western limit.

Yup, MI is screwed up. Here's a case in point. My daughter, 27, has a MN resident carry permit. Most of what she knows about self defense, and firearms handling, she's learned from me. We both attended a MN certified CCW class in 2005, and what we both learned there is what she knows that I didn't teach her. (BTW... in the range qualification, she out-shot dad. We both used my SA 1911UltraCompact in .45acp, and she shot a 147 out of 150, beating my 146).My sister's husband, a FL resident, used his hunter's safety certificate (from 1980) to get his FL CC permit. His instructor back in 1980 was... me. He got his CC based on what I taught him in hunter safety class.

I have the same permits in my wallet as my daughter (MN) and bro-in-law (FL), but mine are non-resident permits. They are each "permitted" by a single state. I'm "permitted" bythree states (MN, FL, NH). But the great state of MI deems both of them "fit" to carry in their state, but my permits arenon-resident, so I'm not fit to carry there. Makes sense to me. Huh???


I've been around long enough to remember the push for a 51st state, named "Superior", consisting of most of northern WI and the U.P. Remember that, from the 70's? That'd make more sense than having the U.P. belong to Madison based assholes.

While I don't agree with MI's no-non-resident policy, I don't see it as solely a MI problem. MI does honor ALL resident permits... very few states have that much reciprocity. WI, IL, and VT are the only states whose entire resident population (other than LEOs) is absolutely 100% prohibited from CC in MI. Notice, VT residents can't carry in MI neither, nor any other state except AK for that matter, without getting a CC permit issued by another state. That's why I oppose VT carry for WI, and prefer AK style carry instead. But to be honest, I'd prefer VT carry in WI to the current situation of no CC at all. But if I'm gonna fight for something, I'll fight for AK type carry first.

There are some states that have no reciprocity (IA, NE, CA, NY & a few others)but other than NE, they're all "may-issue" restrictive states. The majority of the USA however, does have reciprocity, and the last time I counted, my FL, MN, NH non-res permits are good in 30 states... mostly in thewest & south.I'll be retiring in a few years, and I plan to buy a RV of some type andtravel some... mostly out west. I'll just drive around NE and CO where my non-res permits aren't valid.


I've said more today than in all of the last 6 mos since I registered here.I'm done for now.
 
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