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Facebook Live Video Reportedly Captures Moments After Officer Shoots Minnesota Man

twoskinsonemanns

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I guess anyone can commit armed robbery. But I don't know...
I mean I'm no expert but the guy just doesn't seem to fit the convenience store robbing mold.
Graduated HS with honors.
Immediately got a job with the public school Nutrition Services Dept.
Worked there steadily for the last 14 years. Was promoted to supervisor a couple of years ago.
Permit to carry. No criminal record.
Doesn't sound like a typical crook.
Though there is definitely something dark about him.
 

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i find it quite interesting the media's attention has immediately ceased on this event as it is regaled to as a by the way mention due to the shooting event in dallas...

reporting is no longer about the bad police behaviour while shooting individuals but now centers on the poor police...my goodness ABC has even tied the event to JFK's death from a woe is us mentality. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dallas-scarred-national-tragedy-police-ambush-40463217

quite an interesting transition and i am sure will be the research paper of some sociology grad student in the future.

ipse
 
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but nightmare, et al., whom decides to decode the term 'extraordinary' to blow up someone who is deemed necessary to be immediately terminated for society's benefit?

btw, thanks for sharing that

ipse
 
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Granted none of them are for violent crimes, but he isn't exactly Saint Castile, either:
Philando Castile's sheet:
...reads like a typical "Driving While Poor" rap sheet.

While that's a universal condition, it is mostly focused in working class minority neighborhoods.
 

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Granted none of them are for violent crimes, but he isn't exactly Saint Castile, either:
...reads like a typical "Driving While Poor" rap sheet.

While that's a universal condition, it is mostly focused in working class minority neighborhoods.
Well said. Though I consider myself a safe and courtesy driver I am sure I am unwittingly guilty of many of the draconian, often arbitrary, rules my betters have thought up quite often. Fingers crossed that I continue to go unnoticed.
 

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Well said. Though I consider myself a safe and courtesy driver I am sure I am unwittingly guilty of many of the draconian, often arbitrary, rules my betters have thought up quite often. Fingers crossed that I continue to go unnoticed.
I just finished a criminal proceeding in respect to a traffic ticket. The cop refused to show up for two trials. The prosecutor wanted to nolle the case, I objected.... I wanted a trial. The court dismissed the case a few days after granting the nolle, sue sponte. I objected to the dismissal and demanded my trial. The court, a judge in this case as opposed to a magistrate, essentially said that the state can arrest you, jerk you around, and then simply dismiss the case w/o a defendant demanded trial.

I am planning on appealing to get my trial.
 

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I just finished a criminal proceeding in respect to a traffic ticket. The cop refused to show up for two trials. The prosecutor wanted to nolle the case, I objected.... I wanted a trial. The court dismissed the case a few days after granting the nolle, sue sponte. I objected to the dismissal and demanded my trial. The court, a judge in this case as opposed to a magistrate, essentially said that the state can arrest you, jerk you around, and then simply dismiss the case w/o a defendant demanded trial.

I am planning on appealing to get my trial.
Is it possible for a defendant to appeal a dropped case?

I am behind you 100%. Hang in there David. Get your trial. Better yet, demand a conviction and jail sentence.

Quite a dickish thing to say. The justice system is a corrupt cancer where almost everyone charged is bullied into admitting guilt under the threat of higher charges and punishment. The commoners are fleeced out of billions every year for inconsequential infractions of arbitrary rules without the right to be tried by a jury. It's disgusting. The fact that it bothers you reading about some harebrained nonsense Mcbeth does that disrupts or inconveniences some part or someone in that system tells of your statist inclinations.
 

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Granted none of them are for violent crimes, but he isn't exactly Saint Castile, either:
Philando Castile's sheet:

Case Number Citation Number Defendant Info Filed
62SU-VB-10-VU03170
VU03170
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It occurs to me that a number of these offenses (sic) could not have been discovered until after he was stopped for something else.
 
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I just finished a criminal proceeding in respect to a traffic ticket. The cop refused to show up for two trials. The prosecutor wanted to nolle the case, I objected.... I wanted a trial. The court dismissed the case a few days after granting the nolle, sue sponte. I objected to the dismissal and demanded my trial. The court, a judge in this case as opposed to a magistrate, essentially said that the state can arrest you, jerk you around, and then simply dismiss the case w/o a defendant demanded trial.

I am planning on appealing to get my trial.
Got audio/video of your discussions? A docket # so that we may read the court transcript? Should make for great reading...if the event(s) occurred as you claim they did.

Don't be so credulous. A traffic infraction is not a criminal offense.
True, yet traffic infraction (1 MPH over for example) is a arrestable offense...in MO. So, what is the difference if you get arrested for going 1 MPH over vs. a real crime?
 

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It occurs to me that a number of these offenses (sic) could not have been discovered until after he was stopped for something else.
Which means nothing since it is impossible know whether he was stopped for legitimate violations or for DWB.

As someone who drives, I have little tolerance for those who drive without necessary liability insurance.

Nothing violent in the record posted. And so probably not really enlightening about the shooting either direction.

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...reads like a typical "Driving While Poor" rap sheet.
As someone who drives and shares the roads with others, I have little sympathy for those who drive without the legally required liability insurance. A person who "can't afford" to pay for basic liability insurance (or can't afford basic maintenance like keeping lights in proper working order), can't afford to be driving on public roads. Period. Doubly so if said person is choosing to pay for a smart phone, cable TV, or a half dozen other luxuries that far too many today wrongly think are necessities.

Especially so long as "the poor need economical transportation" continues to be trotted out as reason to force taxpayers to provide mass transit systems.

Anyone who can afford a car and gas (at $2.20+ a gallon), doesn't have a bad tail light because he can't afford a $1 bulb. He leaves the bulb burned out because he doesn't care. Assuming one has a half way decent driving record, basic liability insurance is around $25 a month, or less than one tank of gas in most cars.

"Poor" is no excuse to utterly fail to meet minimum financial responsibilities.

All of which says very little about the shooting, one way or the other, IMO.

Charles
 

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A good error is better than a bad question. You're just throwing words at the wall to see what sticks?

What is the difference between an infraction and a crime?
In WI I have no idea. In MO however...
RSMo 544.216.1 ...may arrest on view, and without a warrant, any person the officer sees violating or who such officer has reasonable grounds to believe has violated any ordinance or law of this state, including a misdemeanor or infraction, over which such officer has jurisdiction. ...

http://moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/54400002161.html?&me=arrest without warrant

http://moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/54400001801.html?&me=arrest

http://moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/54400002101.html?&me=arrest
The arrest process is the same for a crime and a infraction in MO.

So, what is the difference if you get arrested for going 1 MPH over vs. a real crime?
When discussing the process of arrest in MO what difference does it make if the offense is a infraction or a "crime?" I do not expect an answer given that I did not receive an answer the first time around.
 

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It's just about the same in Wisconsin. But a crime and an infraction are different.
Thanks. I know there is a difference.

When you get cuffed and stuffed those "finer details" provide little comfort. Especially since cops/prosecutors are loath to hit the "delete all" button in their computer banks where your name+arrest is located.
 

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As someone who drives and shares the roads with others, I have little sympathy for those who drive without the legally required liability insurance. A person who "can't afford" to pay for basic liability insurance (or can't afford basic maintenance like keeping lights in proper working order), can't afford to be driving on public roads. Period. Doubly so if said person is choosing to pay for a smart phone, cable TV, or a half dozen other luxuries that far too many today wrongly think are necessities.

Especially so long as "the poor need economical transportation" continues to be trotted out as reason to force taxpayers to provide mass transit systems.

Anyone who can afford a car and gas (at $2.20+ a gallon), doesn't have a bad tail light because he can't afford a $1 bulb. He leaves the bulb burned out because he doesn't care. Assuming one has a half way decent driving record, basic liability insurance is around $25 a month, or less than one tank of gas in most cars.

"Poor" is no excuse to utterly fail to meet minimum financial responsibilities.

Charles
You're holding someone responsible for their own actions, or lack thereof? Sweet Odin's Beard, we cant do that!! If we start expecting people to act like adults and fulfill their responsibilities as such, there will be anarchy!
 

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Got audio/video of your discussions? A docket # so that we may read the court transcript? Should make for great reading...if the event(s) occurred as you claim they did.

True, yet traffic infraction (1 MPH over for example) is a arrestable offense...in MO. So, what is the difference if you get arrested for going 1 MPH over vs. a real crime?
Of the court houses I have seen none have allowed you to bring in recording devices. I assumed it was the norm.
 
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