1. The plates are clearly visible.
2. You are not being detained to run the plates.
3. There is no privacy interest in a publicly displayed license plate.
I'll give you a better scenario.
You get pulled over on a routine traffic stop. The RO is a female and has a suspended license, and the person driving is a male... The officer pulls the vehicle over because he has reason to believe the vehicle is being operated unlawfully, and it's reasonable to believe that the RO is the driver... The officer approaches the vehicle, and notices that a man is driving..
What's the officer do?
If it's anything other than 'Sir, I pulled you over because the registered owner didn't have a drivers license and I thought she might be driving, have a nice day'.....there's gonna be a problem. The traffic stop was initiated on RAS ,however once the suspicion of crime has been alleviated, as obviously a female isn't a male, then the detention ends there. To pursue further and request ID from the driver would turn into an unlawful stop...
Similarly, on a legitimate traffic stop, an officer spots a camera on the dash.. For 'officer safety' he pulls the driver out and pats him down, then looks in the immediate vicinity for concealed weapons. He notes the serial number on the camera.... The officer retrieves the persons details, and runs them.... He also runs the serial number on the camera to see if its stolen. The purpose of the traffic stop is to issue a citation, and the power to temporarily detain someone in that situation comes from that situation only. To use the situation to extend a detention by conducting a criminal investigation without RAS, the stop has become 'unreasonable'... However, the courts decide what's reasonable and what's not...
your objections don't address your ORIGINAL CLAIM, which i vitiated by these examples.
do i need to quote you AGAIN?
hint: you claimed cops cannot do a criminal inquiry without some indicia
that's demonstrably false, and i proved it
now, you backpedal and bring up OTHER factors which also were addressed, but are tangential to your fallacious claim about cops not being able to run a serial # without a claim
the issue of taking the gun out of the holster is a SEPERATE issue
this rebuts your claim about the running of the serial # ONCE the gun is out of the holster
for the 100th time, whether taking the gun out of the holster itself is an unlawful search is a MATTER OF CONJECTURE. i clearly stated that imo i believe it would not be unlawful. however, i am not the trier of law, and nobody knows what a court WOULD say given such a case. i can only conjecture
if and when you can address your erroneous claim that i just refuted, that cops cannot conduct criminal investigative checks w/o indicia, then get back to me
i respect intellectual honesty. i ignore evaders
you said it. i refuted it. i will quote it one more time if you ask, but i';ve done it already and it gets old
HERE I WILL REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID!!!! *********************READ IT AGAIN****************************
YOU SAID : --- even IF a serial number is visible, you're conducting a CRIMINAL investigation absent ANY information or RAS that a crime has been committed. If an officer disarms you for 'officer safety', then goes and runs the serial number, he has just conducted a criminal investigation, attempting to ascertain whether or not the firearm is stolen. Without RAS that the firearm is stolen, there can be no 'sidebar' investigation. If the purpose of the traffic stop (for example) was to issue you a citation, he cannot start a criminal investigation without RAS
THIS IS DEMONSTRABLY FALSE. AND I SHOWED YOU WAYS IT IS ROUTINELY DONE, EVEN WHEN THERE IS NO INDICIA FOR ANY STOP WHATSOEVER, LET ALONE A TRAFFIC (CIVIL INFRACTION STOP)
A COP CAN CONDUCT CRIMINAL INQUIRIES WITH NO INDICIA OF SUSPICION. IT'S BLACK LETTER LAW, I GAVE YOU SEVERAL EXAMPLES, AND YOU BACKPEDAL
AND HE CERTAINLY CAN, CONTRA YOUR CLAIM "START A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION WITHOUT RAS IN A CITATION STOP" WHICH IS WHAT HE DOES EVERY SINGLE TIME HE RUNS A NAME FOR WARRANTS DURING A TRAFFIC STOP
TYPICAL
MAN UP AND ADMIT YOU WERE IN ERROR OR NOT.
YOUR CHOICE