dougwg
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Who: M.O.C.
What: Sidewalk March
Where: The corner of Clinton and Beuabian (Downtown Detroit)
Why: Opposition of Tyranny
When: 5-4-2009
5PM-6PM
What to Bring:
Your Sidearm
MSP Legal Updates printed out (66, 68)
LEO Information packs
Cameras
Video Cameras
Voice Recorders
Origin:
Veritas wrote:
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/Legal_Updates_185809_7.pdf
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/13328.html
Who: M.O.C.
What: Sidewalk March
Where: The corner of Clinton and Beuabian (Downtown Detroit)
Why: Opposition of Tyranny
When: 5-4-2009
5PM-6PM
What to Bring:
Your Sidearm
MSP Legal Updates printed out (66, 68)
LEO Information packs
Cameras
Video Cameras
Voice Recorders
Origin:
Veritas wrote:
Map: http://maps.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTExNmIycG51BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEc2VjA2ZwLWJ1dHRvbgRzbGsDbGluaw--#mvt=m&lat=42.336267&lon=-83.043458&zoom=18Maybe I'm stirring the pot... but whatever: Last night, I got into discussion with an off duty LEO. Great guy... personable, likable, all that jazz. However he made a comment about my holster (I was at a bar; left the pistol properly secured and stowed in my friends vehicle). He asked if I walk around with my gun on my hip. I affirmed that I normally do. Here is where the 45 minute debate began. I'll spare the details, but the punchline is that he couldn't be MORE wrong about his positions. His contention is that, as a cop, he has authority to stop anyone for any reason and demand ID... "especially" if they're carrying a weapon. His notion was that demanding ID from someone, and arresting them if they fail to produce it, is his lawful duty because carrying a gun is suspicious. However, he could not define exactly what made the person suspicious. I tried to use analogies to help him realize how ridiculous that sounded. I equated stopping a man with a gun to stopping a man wearing a Turban... unwarranted and prejudicial suspicions about the person matter not when they are merely enjoying their Constitutional freedoms.
Anyways... much more was said and discussed; he just wasn't getting it so I decided to end the discussion. However, he left me with a challenge: To "come to his city" while openly carrying and refuse to show ID when stopped. I accepted the challenge. So here's the deal: Monday, between the hours of 5 and 6, outside the county jail on Clinton and Beuabian (Downtown Detroit), I will be walking down the street openly carrying. The LEO works in the building on that day and will be on lunch between those hours and guarantees that an officer will stop me. He further asserts that upon refusing to show ID and answer questions about where I'm coming from or going, that I will be arrested.
I've got a pretty clear calender up until Thursday so I've got the time to fight this if necessary. My friend is driving me (so I don't have to worry about being towed) and will be documenting with a camcorder. I tell you folks here just as a heads up. I'll report back after it's done. I honestly don't expect to be arrested... but if I am, I will make my point in court and hopefully more officers in that city become better informed about the law and civil liberties.
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/Legal_Updates_185809_7.pdf
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/13328.html