Pro Gun Group choices?

[Frantic84]

I have finally decided to join a Pro Gun Organization.
so my question really is who will give me the best bang for my buck?
there is GOA, NRA and NVFAC that I know of who of these are the best and why?
or if there is another group you think I should be part of, same question?
thank in Advance guys.

 

[MAC702]

NVFAC is the state NRA affiliate, so you should join NRA first anyway. (NFAC, NVFAC, NFC... I don't know what their damn acronym is supposed to be)

GOA is a great organization and they have less compromise than the NRA but...

I feel the NRA is the first one you should join. They are the largest and the most powerful, and even with their political flaws, they do a lot of good overall, ESPECIALLY when you look beyond the political lobbying and remember all they do for safety and marksmanship training.

My order would be NRA, GOA, NVFAC.

 

[28kfps]

When watching the politicians, mainstream media, anti gun organizations and elections, whenever they talk about a formidable pro gun adversary as being a major obstacle it is not GOA or NVFAC. Agree or not agree with the NRA it is sure numbers of members and over 140 years of existence of the NRA keeps them on the top of the anti gun opposition list.

I am of the opinion at least join the NRA. I believe it is paramount in our gun right efforts to support, maintain, and build up the largest pro gun organization. Follow that up by supporting any of the other pro gun groups. Now is not the time to splinter up into smaller less effective groups especially if weakened by infighting.

 

[varminter22]

Join all three you mentioned!

I would put GOA last of the three mentioned. Not because I don't like GOA; GOA is good!

But the NRA fights on both state and federal levels. GOA concentrates on the national level only.

And Nevada Firearms Coaltion is the Nevada state NRA affiliated organization. Join NVFAC and help fight on the state level!

The Nevada Legislature convenes on February 4. Please pay attention as there will no doubt be both good and bad bills. Probably about 1200 bills in total. It will be fast & furious (no pun intended.)

 

[DVC]

The Second Amendment Foundation brought you the Heller and McDonald decisions which found an individual right to RKBA -- after the NRA tried to torpedo the Heller case.

The NRA helped write and strongly supported the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968. Their Executive VP even bragged about it in their magazine about 40 years ago. They didn't discover your gun rights for another several years.

If you want to save your guns, SAF is the group which has done you the most good. If you can only join and support one organization, this is the one.

If you want to support programs to teach shooting, gun safety (such as Eddie Eagle), etc, join the NRA -- but when it comes to your civil rights, they're generally as useful as an afterburner on a turtle. If you go to Tom Gresham's Gun Talk website, they have a phone number that you can call to get NRA Life Membership for $300 (limited time offer).

NVFAC's greatest accomplishments are , and . One of their top execs is loudly opposed to open and Constitutional carry. I can't think of a single good reason to give them a penny.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

I say join what you can handle, If you give them your power, make sure it is still yours after you hand it over. In order to do this you need to have say in what happens and a voice in the movement. If you cannot make them answer to you then they are not working for you, no matter what they tell you.

I watched as the NRA, GOA, all helped the Sheriffs and Chiefs association (a Nevada non Profit Org.) get Veto over the States we can carry in, and who can carry in our State. when I cried Foul, it fell on deaf ears. So I am Back to square one. Some are sure it takes numbers to make a difference. I tend to think that you cannot rely on others if you want something, as they may want something different. I stopped supporting Org.'s And have put my money and time into a lawsuit, Mac also gave me $20.00 towards it. I am suing the sheriffs and Chiefs assoc. it is about 95% complete. look for news soon, and just because you decide to support a org. do not let them dictate your beliefs.

 

[CowboyKen]

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And Nevada Firearms Coaltion is the Nevada state NRA affiliated organization. Join NVFAC and help fight on the state level!
...

... NVFAC's greatest accomplishments are === , --- and ---- . One of their top execs is loudly opposed to open and Constitutional carry. I can't think of a single good reason to give them a penny.

Note that while the Nevada Firearms Coalition holds itself out as "a registered Nevada nonprofit corporation," it does not have that status according to the IRS.

They are so registered with the State of Nevada which requires only that they file a request and submit a list of officers.

Don Turner, their President, told us a year or more ago that they had filed with the IRS for non-profit status and that they were waiting for a determination as to what category of tax exempt entity they would fall under. To date they are not on the IRS list of tax exempt organizations and I can only think that they; a) never actually filed the application, b) were rejected by the IRS, or c) withdrew their application. Of course this means that they are not required to make public disclosure of what they do with the money that they take in. Be careful who you give money to, I am.

By the way, both GOA and the NRA are on that list as tax exempt.

Ken

p.s.; They also have been unable to show that they have been able to achieve any of the goals, except for raising money, listed on their web-site.

 

[Frantic84]

thanks for all of the views everyone, got some thinking to do

 

[The Big Guy]

NVFAC for Nevada. It is new and having some serious growing pains but we need a strong state association.

On the national level I agree 2A Foundation gets the most bang for your buck as they litigate and win. GOA is the most no compromise lobby as a national organization, and NRA is the 800 pound gorilla when it comes to their strong lobby.

If you can, join them all. If not, NVFAC and 2A foundation.

Under current climate I'm not sure that any amount of lobbying is going to matter. What will matter are the legal actions sure to follow and that is why I say 2A foundation.

TBG

 

[varminter22]

Note that while the Nevada Firearms Coalition holds itself out as "a registered Nevada nonprofit corporation," it does not have that status according to the IRS.

Here we go again.

Well, for your information, about three weeks ago, NVFAC finally, after several months, received determination from the IRS. NVFAC is a 501(c)4 organization.

As I reported here a few months ago, the IRS is frequently "not-so-fast" and, indeed, it did take a few months to recieve their determination. Not unusual by any means.

Again, NVFAC IS A Federal 501(C)4 organization, complete with IRS determination, AND a Nevada non-profit.

 

[varminter22]

I say join what you can handle, If you give them your power, make sure it is still yours after you hand it over. In order to do this you need to have say in what happens and a voice in the movement. If you cannot make them answer to you then they are not working for you, no matter what they tell you.

I watched as the NRA, GOA, all helped the Sheriffs and Chiefs association (a Nevada non Profit Org.) get Veto over the States we can carry in, and who can carry in our State. when I cried Foul, it fell on deaf ears. So I am Back to square one. Some are sure it takes numbers to make a difference. I tend to think that you cannot rely on others if you want something, as they may want something different. I stopped supporting Org.'s And have put my money and time into a lawsuit, Mac also gave me $20.00 towards it. I am suing the sheriffs and Chiefs assoc. it is about 95% complete. look for news soon, and just because you decide to support a org. do not let them dictate your beliefs.

Please show evidence of the NRA and GOA helping the NSCA.

I personally was there as an UNPAID lobbyist for SFA (since 2007.)

I worked with the NRA on most issues. I never saw ANY evidence of which you speak.

And, the GOA has not lobbied in Nevada for many, many years. The GOA did help out some (via email) in the 2011 session (concerning AB-282) but that is all.

And, in ref to AB-282 of 2011, I can tell you the NRA and SFA all did their absolute best. I saw NO evidence of supporting the NSCA's quest for "veto power over the states we can carry in."

As we have discussed so many times, the NSCA is a Nevada non-profit corporation and should NOT have such statutory power! (I have no idea if they are a federal 501(c)x or not - perhaps Ken can research that!),

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

The Gun rights Org's. Exercised their right to not show up, That's how they helped give the Sheriffs and Chiefs Assoc. veto power over our Govt.! I bet their Donate button worked while the committee was being held. Here is who showed up for SB 237 In 2007 when the NVSAC were appointed Veto Power.

Senate Committee on Judiciary
March 21, 2007
Page 2
Lynn Chapman, Nevada Eagle Forum
John L. Wagner, The Burke Consortium
Frank Adams, Executive Director, Nevada Sheriffs' and Chiefs' Association
Steve Robinson, Deputy Chief of Staff/Legislative Director, Office of the Governor
Phillip A. Galeoto, Director, Department of Public Safety
Ronald R. Cuzze, President, Nevada State Law Enforcement Officers' Association
Raymond J. Flynn, Assistant Sheriff, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
Rocky Finseth, Nevada Land Title Association
Dave Evans, Western Title Company, Incorporated
Teresa B. McKee, Nevada Association of Realtors
Cheryl Blomstrom, Nevada Consumer Financial Association
CHAIR AMODEI:
The hearing is opened on Senate Bill (S.B.) 237.
SENATE BILL 237: Revises certain provisions governing permits to carry concealed firearms. (BDR 15-47)

Even the real estate association was there for the Concealed Carry bill... Where was the NRA Et all?

Now on a different bill that year regarding CCW's, This one had to do with raising the costs, there was one gun group that did show up who was it?

Assembly Committee on Judiciary
February 19, 2007
Page 2
Matt Mowbray, Committee Assistant
OTHERS PRESENT:
Frank Adams, Executive Director, Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association
Robert Roshak, Sergeant, Office of Intergovernmental Services, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
Ray Flynn, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police
David Schumann, Nevada Committee for Full Statehood
Warren Russell, Elko County Commissioner
John Wagner, representing The Burke Consortium
Philip K. O'Neill, Chief, Records and Technology Division, Nevada Department of Public Safety
James L. Rhodes, President, Stillwater Firearms Association, Fallon, Nevada
Sam McGuire, State Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) Instructor
R. Scott Meyer, Nevada Western Firearms
Kelly Connolly, State CCW Instructor
Nicholas Anthony, Legislative Relations Program Manager, City of Reno
Kristin L. Erickson, Chief Deputy District Attorney, Washoe County, representing the Nevada District Attorneys Association
Cotter Conway, representing the Washoe County Public Defender's Office
Jason Frierson, Attorney, Clark County Public Defender's Office
Chairman Anderson:
[Meeting called to order. Roll called.] Before we turn our attention to the legislation of the day, the Records and Technology Division of the Department of Public Safety has asked for Bill Draft Request (BDR) 16-727 to be withdrawn. I have a letter dated February 20, 2007 from Captain P. K. O'Neill, the Division Chief, which reflects the formal request (Exhibit C). It is the Chair's intention to honor that request and make this announcement part of the public record.
Let us turn our attention to Assembly Bill 21.
Assembly Bill 21: Revises certain provisions governing weapons. (BDR 15-326)

So my intent here is not to "kneecap" well meaning individuals and groups. My intent is this if you think you can send some Organization $25.00 a year to "fight for your rights," you must first drastically lower your threshold of what a right is. You know what they say... if it sounds too good to be true..... ! It is.

To get our Government no choice but to listen to the "Gun Lobby" Has the distinct downside of quieting the voice of "We the People"

 

[varminter22]

Sorry, but that is not evidence of support for the NSCA's agenda. That is simply a list of people that were signed in and testified that day.

I can tell you the NRA-ILA was very actively involved - and on our side.

And, again, GOA has not been active in our legislature in many, many years (years before 2007.) It seems the GOA concentrates on the federal level.

 

[CowboyKen]

Here we go again.

Well, for your information, about three weeks ago, NVFAC finally, after several months, received determination from the IRS. NVFAC is a 501(c)4 organization.

As I reported here a few months ago, the IRS is frequently "not-so-fast" and, indeed, it did take a few months to recieve their determination. Not unusual by any means.

Again, NVFAC IS A Federal 501(C)4 organization, complete with IRS determination, AND a Nevada non-profit.

Larry,

Thank you for the update.

I STAND CORRECTED!!!!!

Good for them. I am very happy about this. It give the organization a level of legitimacy they cannot have, in my eyes, without it.

I look forward to also hearing about progress on any of the goals that I asked about last time (Education, Competition, Training, etc.).

Ken

p.s.; If I can, in any way, help with advancing these goals as a volunteer please let me know.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

I can tell you the NRA-ILA was very actively involved - and on our side.

I would like to see the minuets of those meetings, do you have them?

Also on 1-13 2013, at 6:54 pm varmenter wrote:

"But the NRA fights on both state and federal levels. GOA concentrates on the national level only."

If they do not even show to the committee meetings how can you call it a fight?

 

[wrightme]

I would like to see the minuets of those meetings, do you have them?

Also on 1-13 2013, at 6:54 pm varmenter wrote:

If they do not even show to the committee meetings how can you call it a fight?

Committe meetings are not, by far, the only place that actions were taken. In fact, with chairs that were hostile to legislation, attendance at the committee meeting was only useful to show attendance at the committee meeting. MOST of the effort is prior to the committee meetings.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

Committe meetings are not, by far, the only place that actions were taken. In fact, with chairs that were hostile to legislation, attendance at the committee meeting was only useful to show attendance at the committee meeting. MOST of the effort is prior to the committee meetings.

My Point exactly. All the Org's had done their "back room" deals, and decided that the Sheriff's and Chiefs Assoc. Should Govern the CCW laws in Nevada. I am not at all saying the NRA et all were not involved in the compromise.

My point is this. If you are like me and think the Sheriffs and Chiefs assoc. should stick to planning the annual ball, and stay the HE!! out of the PEOPLE'S business, Then obviously you have to plan on doing more than donating to a gun Org. of your choice!

Since The sheriffs and Chiefs were put into power (according to wrightme, the gun Org's. were heavily involved, to the extent they knew they did not have to show for the committee meeting) The NRA et all has not to my knowledge objected to the NVSAC being in power.(this includes the NVFAC.) All of the gun Org's have turned down the opportunity to work with me in an effort to remove the NVSAC from their control over the CCW laws.

I Challenge anyone that can show proof that a Gun Org. "fought the appointment of the NVSAC the dictators of CCW." To step up and Show where these Gun Org's earned our trust in this matter, and that they did not "sell out" to a non profit.

That being said, I am not anti-gun Org. I still get my NRA alerts, etc. That is how I became informed about the last NVSAC meeting. However these orgs. fit into your gun "safe" is your business, my point is this: they are each a different type of tool, and there is no one tool that can do every job.

 

[wrightme]

My Point exactly. All the Org's had done their "back room" deals, and decided that the Sheriff's and Chiefs Assoc. Should Govern the CCW laws in Nevada. I am not at all saying the NRA et all were not involved in the compromise.

My point is this. If you are like me and think the Sheriffs and Chiefs assoc. should stick to planning the annual ball, and stay the HE!! out of the PEOPLE'S business, Then obviously you have to plan on doing more than donating to a gun Org. of your choice!

Since The sheriffs and Chiefs were put into power (according to wrightme, the gun Org's. were heavily involved, to the extent they knew they did not have to show for the committee meeting) The NRA et all has not to my knowledge objected to the NVSAC being in power.(this includes the NVFAC.) All of the gun Org's have turned down the opportunity to work with me in an effort to remove the NVSAC from their control over the CCW laws.

I Challenge anyone that can show proof that a Gun Org. "fought the appointment of the NVSAC the dictators of CCW." To step up and Show where these Gun Org's earned our trust in this matter, and that they did not "sell out" to a non profit.

That being said, I am not anti-gun Org. I still get my NRA alerts, etc. That is how I became informed about the last NVSAC meeting. However these orgs. fit into your gun "safe" is your business, my point is this: they are each a different type of tool, and there is no one tool that can do every job.

The NRA was fighting the backroom deals.....

And, no, they are/were NOT 'for' the NVSCA having any role in it whatsoever. You are simply incorrect with your allegations.

The portion in bold is a flat out lie. It wasn't anything like 'knew they didn't have to.' If showing up was a decision at all, it was that they knew there was no point in even attempting to oppose it. And, no, that does NOT mean you can assume that they used that as any criteria, that is simply my take on how the committee meetings DID operate with a hostile chair.


If, as you claim, you are not 'anti-gun org,' stop assuming they were in cahoots with the NVSCA. They weren't.

 

[Vegassteve]

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If, as you claim, you are not 'anti-gun org,' stop assuming they were in cahoots with the NVSCA. They weren't.

Are there any NRA alerts or newsletters or news releases to support that statement? My wife who is a NRA member, for the sole reason of buying a M1 garand, never got anything.

 

[wrightme]

Are there any NRA alerts or newsletters or news releases to support that statement? My wife who is a NRA member, for the sole reason of buying a M1 garand, never got anything.

Damifiknow....


I never read what they send me....
[shrug]