Refused to produce ID to private security at Four Queens, Got 86'd Police Involved

[Nevada carrier]

Dude long story short you just should have taken the 3 minutes to show them your ID so they could do whatever they needed. This is absolutely ridiculous. Get over it. They just want to ensure that you were not trying to hijack a car. I didn't bother to read anything in this thread. There's a point where too much is too much.

No, dude, he shouldn't have. He should have done exactly what he did, stand his ground. It's his property, and his lack of a ticket is far from reason to think he was committing a crime. If he didn't have the money to pay the required parking fee and were to be billed, then they would have an argument here, but he offered to pay the fee without protest. Never mind the fact that they claim that they're attempting to curtail auto theft when they would almost certainly argue in court that they're not responsible for your property (I bet they post that for sure). Those gates are NOT there to keep people's cars from getting stolen, Those gates ARE there to keep people from leaving without paying.

 

[drdcup]

When disclosing your info to the officer I wonder why you gave him everything including your dob and social security number. You are only required to disclose your first and last name unless operating a vehicle then a license. Older social security cards state not for identification on the back the new ones don't (govie changed it's mind without telling anyone).

If it was free parking this wouldn't have been an issue and occurred and the casino would have pointed to their signs saying they are not at fault for lost, damage, etc. if the car was stolen. But since they want your money to park they are just following convention and to minimize illegal activities ie stolen cars so they require your info to protect them EVEN if it inconveinences you or is not based on law. I think it really is a condition of today's society degrading to where there is no trust between people only trust on something that can be physically verified. It has been too many people without integrity taking advantage of others. It wasn't always this way and the way it will be in the near future.

I wonder if it was a civil matter, I would have argued that my property was seized or stolen. But before that I may have looked the parking attendant in the eye handing over again the payment and said you have 30 seconds to open the gate or lose it.

 

[KBCraig]

When disclosing your info to the officer I wonder why you gave him everything including your dob and social security number.

Exactly. All an identity thief needs is an evening with a police scanner to collect way too much personal information.

 

[mp06011999]

...Here is the questions that I have. Did the Four Queens have the right to detain my personal property? ...Anyhow if you have any feedback I would love to here it. I don't like the behave like an ******* but of course I have a strong interest in defending my rights.

First off, kudos for standing your ground. You had every right to deny the guards request for ID, reg, etc...

But, everything that happened after that seems pretty legal and proper. Yes, they had a right to detain you or hold your property pending an investigation by the cops. The guards (citizens in general) do have a right to detain you or property and call the cops if they suspect a crime. The cop, after determining it wasn't criminal (that you weren't stealing) was right in stating it's a civil matter now.

Just a quick side note on citizens detaining people / property: More times than not people forget that cops are the second line of defense against crime. Citizens being proactive are the first. Anyhow.....

No, you didn't have to show your papers to the guards as they have no legal right to your information. But, of course, if the guards refused to release your property FOR WHATEVER REASON, you would have had to file suit later to retrieve it or call the cops right then and there. In either of those scenarios you'd have presented your ID, proven ownership and gotten your property back. That's what happened anyhow, right? You stayed there and allowed the cop to verify no crime. In essence, showing your papers, albeit to the cops.

So, you were legally "right" and the guards were legally "right". We don't live in a black & white world. Often I have a hard time with that myself. And then I have to remind myself that laws are meant to clarify, attempting to use absolutes, but there are no absolutes in life and laws are simply an aid and not the final word. I hate saying that, but it's true.

With all of that, I have to say that your heart was in the right place defending your right to privacy, but ultimately, in this situation, it didn't amount to much. But I do prefer people focused on the side of individual rights rather than sheepism.

Noteworthy: NRS 171.1235 & NRS 171.126
Remember, it's not black & white. If you suspected someone of taking property that wasn't there's it would be your duty as a law-abiding citizen to do what you could to thwart that. And you may get sued for it too because we haven't yet written a law that says "do your part". I can't fault the guards for this one.

 

[KiDGiB]

I think the Security Guard was on a power trip. It seems they only wanted your ID to put your name in the computer and 86 you, it was probably an excuse to the cop that they wanted to confirm that you weren't stealing a vehicle. Even if it was true, it could of been a friends vehicle that was borrowed or a family members vehicle.
I wouldn't try to sue the company, since they could hire a good attorney. I would file a complaint on the Security Guards and see that disciplinary action is done against them.

 

[davidmcbeth]

Dumb question: Doesn't the fact that OP had in his possession the keys to his vehicle serve as more than adequate "proof" to private security that the vehicle is, in fact, his?

I would not be inclined to show any identification or proof of ownership to any private security. I would also be very upset with the LEO in OP's case who gave his private information to security. They have no right to the information he gave them.

Keys does not equal ownership/possession ... your ticket they gave you is good enough for them to get the car (now if someone stole your ticket and got your car, then I assume you would sue them for giving your car away, right?)

And this is all civil in nature ... cops don't want to or can get involved