Stickland files Constitutional Carry - HB 375 of the 85(R)

[solus]

And Texas will never have concealed carry, nor open carry, nor campus carry...so very tiresome is the ever-present and ill-informed naysaying.

With regard to SB 16/HB 339, both Lieutenant Governor Patrick (the President of the Texas Senate), who was responsible for shepherding campus carry through the Senate during the last session, and Governor Abbott are firmly behind the bills. In fact, Lt. Gov Patrick has gone so far as to make SB 16/HB 339 one of his legislative priorities during the 2017 session. Clearance through the even more conservative House is all but a given.

You and I can speak again about these bills after May 29 of next year.

they had their moment of glory to forgo the profit center last year but capitulated !

bravado and testosterone filled talk was cheep last time on who was pushing what, but in the end the lonestar citizens ONLY got their existing privilege card punched with an endorsement to open carry.

i did notice with interest no response regarding the example of a profit center being closed by the legislature.
ipse

 

[HPmatt]

Here are a couple of revenue give-ups my State Senator Huffines has ready to introduce in January:

Ending revenue from Redlight cameras and Tollroads.

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[TXOC16]

they had their moment of glory to forgo the profit center last year but capitulated !

bravado and testosterone filled talk was cheep last time on who was pushing what, but in the end the lonestar citizens ONLY got their existing privilege card punched with an endorsement to open carry.

i did notice with interest no response regarding the example of a profit center being closed by the legislature.

Yes, we poor, ignorant Texans "only" got Open Carry (oh, wait, except we also got Campus Carry---how the heck did that happen?), and what a continuing shame and embarrassment it is. In fact, we should probably just give it all back---concealed carry, open carry, campus carry---since none was legally possible before it finally was. Such circular and nonsensical "reasoning" from you and your ilk is exactly why you and I should have no discussions whatsoever prior to May 29 of next year, when as a result of the passage of SB 16/HB 339, the Texas LTC fee will most certainly be either entirely eliminated or quite significantly reduced, an act I'm sure, regardless of the outcome, you will find some issue.

As to your silly insistence of some "example of a profit center being closed by the legislature," I have no idea how such a past event has anything whatsoever to do with the current topic at hand. While posting to this board, and particularly this thread and topic, I am concerned only with advancement of the Second Amendment rights of Texas citizens, not what "profit centers" some past legislative entities have either created or eliminated.

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating in this instance, there are those who constantly insist that it's impossible, and then there are those who simply go out and do the hard work of achieving the impossible. It's pretty clear on which side you lie, "mate."

 

[TXOC16]

Here are a couple of revenue give-ups my State Senator Huffines...

Don Huffines is an honorable man and a good legislator---the Texas Senate counterpart to the House's Jonathan Stickland. You're very fortunate to have him.

 

[solus]

hummm...guess you intentionally left out the key words in hpmatt's opening sentence

...has ready to introduce....

tisk tisk...trying to mislead eh?
and campus firearms are allowed in two year educational institutions?

how bout private educational institutions?

and you truly believe your legislature is going to abandon the perceived 97% of non carrying lonestar citizens safety concerns by deletion of their statutory background criteria currently in place for issuing CCs...

You have to be at least 21. You have to have a clean criminal and psychological record. You also have to complete classroom training and pass a shooting test.

really!

oh and if, if being the operative word, the legislature does grant statutory permission, that same permission can be taken away by executive order or during times of declared emergency and isn't quite the same or equal to state constitutional permission.

tell your honourable members the citizens want a constitutional amendment on the subject and watch the dancing begin with each humming a diferent tune!
ipse

 

[solus]

txoc14, tell ya what, in the spirit of the new year, and as i do not wish you to think i am all doom & gloom type pessimist...

if what you believe, OC without the attached privilege card, comes to fruition this legislative session, i will donate $100 to one of the following from this list, hopefully one in your community, of your choice and will attempt to caveat the organization acknowledge receipt in txoc14 name.

Children Charities & Non Profit Organizations In Texas http://www.charity-charities.org/Children/Texas.html ​

ipse

added, if the legislature wussies out ...you do not owe a thing as the loss of OC w/o a privilege card is punishment enough.

 

[TXOC16]

txoc14, tell ya what...

Soulless, you are, of course, free to spread far and wide your pence and shillings as you see fit, but my personal suggestion would be that you save a least a few quid to invest in: (a) a dictionary, (b) a thesaurus, (c) a book, any book, on logic and reasoning, and (d) a keyboard with a functioning "Shift" key.

As to your misreference to my supposed belief that "OC without the attached privilege card, comes to fruition this legislative session," I would suggest that such a statement by you is an overt, direct, and intentional violation of forum rules as I neither overtly stated nor intimated that such an event was either imminent or likely. I eagerly await the proper public moderation response and will be holding my breath until it arrives.

In any event, "mate," here's wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, while at the same time still being quite pleased that you're there and not here.

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

Some people are all or nothing defeatists . The sky is falling the sky is falling oh no oh no it well never happen.

They don't see that in all most all the states that have permit less carry now, started out with permitted carry, high fees and training costs.

They complained that the state, the instructors, all the others would never give up the power or money stream.

Tell that to the people in AZ, AK, and the others who now have permit less carry.

Sure did it take more then one bill and more then one legislative session and years of hard work yes.

But the sky really did not fall. Unless it fell on the people who for so long said it would never happen.

 

[solus]

so, FI, when wisconsin talks about removing its citizen's firearm training requirement(s) you will quietly sit by w/o commentary contemplating your retirement?

ipse

added, defeatist - nawll; pragmatic - you betcha...i lost my rose coloured glasses shortly after the sex & rock and roll era ended!

 

[Grapeshot]

Soulless, you are, of course, free to spread far and wide your pence and shillings as you see fit, but my personal suggestion would be that you save a least a few quid to invest in: (a) a dictionary, (b) a thesaurus, (c) a book, any book, on logic and reasoning, and (d) a keyboard with a functioning "Shift" key.

As to your misreference to my supposed belief that "OC without the attached privilege card, comes to fruition this legislative session," I would suggest that such a statement by you is an overt, direct, and intentional violation of forum rules as I neither overtly stated nor intimated that such an event was either imminent or likely. I eagerly await the proper public moderation response and will be holding my breath until it arrives.

In any event, "mate," here's wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, while at the same time still being quite pleased that you're there and not here.

A greater infraction of Forum Rules and called decisions is speaking so derisively and sarcastically about another user/member here. Solus's writing style should not be a matter of major concern - surely not to the point of lecturing him.

IMO, Solus was not deliberately misquoting you but rather giving his opinion that OC if passed this session would likely contain the requirement of first having a privilege card. I tend to agree, but do not feel compelled to defend that position.

Would it have mollified you if he said, "I would seem that you believe...." ? That is they way I read his post.

"Mate" is a colloquialism = friend. Hopefully, we are all mates/friends here with common goals.

We do not eat our own on OCDO. The intent/requirement is that any discourse be civil and polite, not attacking.

BTW - My public response to your post was generated by your posting these challenges publicly. I could have deleted your post as a personal attack, but decided to use it as a teaching opportunity for others as well as for yourself.

Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year also.

 

[solus]

Wisconsin's mandatory training requirement does not require a fee.

In my experience the fee is taught as a pedagogical requirement by NRA Training Counselors as a means of impressing the student with his catechism. IIRC my class was charged $500 each. I learned my lessons well and still remember them. No printed materials were provided in the course, and all handwritten notes were recovered from the students and destroyed to protect the NRA/counselor's copyright.

It was made clear that the class fee could be recovered from subsequent clients.

without further specifics, then it appears the TC might have violated their agreement w/the organization that appointed them to function in that capacity.

didnt say WI charged a training fee but rather there is a state level mandatory requirement for trn'g and as you just pointed out for individual entities conducting said trn'g it is a lucrative enterprise!

ipse

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

so, FI, when wisconsin talks about removing its citizen's firearm training requirement(s) you will quietly sit by w/o commentary contemplating your retirement?

ipse

added, defeatist - nawll; pragmatic - you betcha...i lost my rose coloured glasses shortly after the sex & rock and roll era ended!

I actively push for constitutional carry and when I did teach the required course in Wis. I did as a WIS. carry instructor and they did not and do not charge a fee.

I tell people now to go get their hunter safety certificate that meets the training requirement.

Wis. has several ways of meeting the training requirements the state mandated course is just one of them.

Instructing the state mandated course isn't very lucrative in NW Wis the last time we offer a free course twenty people said they would come and had only one show up.

There are several places that do offer the training I have no clue how many students they get.

I don't offer the mandated course. I offer personnel firearm and defensive training I tell all my clients get your mandated training the cheapest way possible. Then come to me and I'll teach you how to shoot and defend yourself.

Barking up the wrong tree it seems.

 

[solus]

I actively push for constitutional carry and when I did teach the required course in Wis. I did as a WIS. carry instructor and they did not and do not charge a fee.

I tell people now to go get their hunter safety certificate that meets the training requirement.

Wis. has several ways of meeting the training requirements the state mandated course is just one of them.

Instructing the state mandated course isn't very lucrative in NW Wis the last time we offer a free course twenty people said they would come and had only one show up.

There are several places that do offer the training I have no clue how many students they get.

I don't offer the mandated course. I offer personnel firearm and defensive training I tell all my clients get your mandated training the cheapest way possible. Then come to me and I'll teach you how to shoot and defend yourself.

Barking up the wrong tree it seems.

FI, thank you for the clarification and an after thought, until the question is asked and clarification has been proffered...one never knows if it is the wrong tree, does one?

appreciated...

ipse

 

[TXOC16]

IMO, Solus was not deliberately misquoting...BTW - My public response to your post was generated by your posting these challenges publicly. I could have deleted your post as a personal attack, but decided to use it as a teaching opportunity for others as well as for yourself.

Exactly the response I expected. At least I can now take a breath.

 

[Grapeshot]

Exactly the response I expected. At least I can now take a breath.

My,my. You reply that you seemingly expected your position/interpretation to not be acceptable, yet did so anyway.

Breathe regularly and have a bit more grace with other people on the forum.

Returning this thread to the original subject. No more of the other.

 

[TXOC16]

My,my. You reply that you seemingly expected your position/interpretation to not be acceptable, yet did so anyway.

No, I replied that your response would be exactly as I expected, as in quite predictable. I mentioned nothing whatsoever to do with "acceptability," which is pretty much a liberal construct.

 

[TXOC16]

The OC momentum in Texas has gained just a bit of steam in the last week, which is a good thing, as Matt Schaefer is now appearing as an additional author of Stickland's bill, and both Matt Rinaldi (I'm liking this guy more and more) and James White are listed as co-authors.

It appears that yet another previously proclaimed DOA Second Amendment bill has been resuscitated in the still-great State of Texas.

 

[stealthyeliminator]

The OC momentum in Texas has gained just a bit of steam in the last week, which is a good thing, as Matt Schaefer is now appearing as an additional author of Stickland's bill, and both Matt Rinaldi (I'm liking this guy more and more) and James White are listed as co-authors.

It appears that yet another previously proclaimed DOA Second Amendment bill has been resuscitated in the still-great State of Texas.

Indeed, I'm feeling positive about this session. I think if we make little progress, it'll only be because too many people were unnecessarily pessimistic and stop pushing.

 

[HPmatt]

Met Renaldi at an Empower Texas event last year - he is a good guy.


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[KBCraig]

The gatekeepers and legislators love to drag out the drama.

If Texas wants constitutional carry, it's very simple: repeal PC Chapter 46. All of it, every single word.

But they won't, because they have the same interest in ending gun control in Texas, as Jesse Jackson has in ending racism in America.