RCall
Regular Member
So I have decided to post my negative encounter from yesterday, I have the cruiser cam footage on the way and will post when i get it, before you read this i would like to make a couple points: First when the officer told me he was only requesting my id i felt a little intimidated so i let him have it but i really didn't want to, second his little rant about the disorderly conduct and inducing panic i already didn't agree with. All i was thinking about was getting my food home and in the freezer. Let me know your thoughts on this, I believe this was an illegal Terry Stop.
Some of the conversation may not be in exact chronological order I came home and typed this out immediately to get it written down before i forgot any details.
On Wednesday March 28 at about 6:00pm I was placing groceries into my vehicle after shopping at the Kroger store located at 780 Northwoods Blvd. in Vandalia. I returned the cart to the corral and was making my way back to my vehicle when I got next to my vehicle I noticed a Vandalia P.D. cruiser pull into the lane I was parked in. The officer pulled in front of my car and blocked my vehicle in and got out and ordered me to stay where I was and to place my hands on my head, I complied. He then approached me and asked me what I was doing. I told him I had just finished loading my groceries into my vehicle and was getting ready to leave. He then told me he was going to detain me and placed my hands behind my back and placed handcuffs on them. He asked me if I usually open carried a firearm, I told him yes. At some point around this time another officer arrived which the first officer whose name was Robert W. Brazel informed me was his sergeant. The first officer then asked if I had an I.D. I asked if he was requesting it or demanding it and he told me at that time he was only requesting it. I gave the officer permission to retrieve my wallet from my front left pants pocket and to retrieve my driver’s license and my CCW permit. The officer asked me why the weapon wasn’t concealed and I told him I carried it openly because it was easier to get to in case I needed it and If I was wearing a jacket it made it easier to get to. The officer then informed me his sergeant (Sgt. Gary L. Jackson) was going to watch me while he ran my info. I asked officer Brazel if he had just happened to see me or if a complaint was called in, he told me he was just driving through the parking lot. He told me you don’t just see a man with a gun strapped to him every day and that was why he had stopped me, not that he felt I had committed any crime. After returning from his cruiser officer Brazel informed me he was going to remove the cuffs and I was not to touch my firearm. I complied with this order. He then gave me what he said was “friendly advise” and that he was very surprised that nobody had called. He also told me that if somebody had called and been upset that I would be arrested for disorderly conduct or inducing panic and taken to the county jail. He told me the issuing county for my concealed carry permit would be notified and at their digression revoked. He then returned my I.D. and CCW to my wallet and Filled out an interview card for his boss and asked me my personal information including home address, phone number, employer, and any scars or tattoos. He then told me I was free to go and the two officers left and I then left.
Some of the conversation may not be in exact chronological order I came home and typed this out immediately to get it written down before i forgot any details.
On Wednesday March 28 at about 6:00pm I was placing groceries into my vehicle after shopping at the Kroger store located at 780 Northwoods Blvd. in Vandalia. I returned the cart to the corral and was making my way back to my vehicle when I got next to my vehicle I noticed a Vandalia P.D. cruiser pull into the lane I was parked in. The officer pulled in front of my car and blocked my vehicle in and got out and ordered me to stay where I was and to place my hands on my head, I complied. He then approached me and asked me what I was doing. I told him I had just finished loading my groceries into my vehicle and was getting ready to leave. He then told me he was going to detain me and placed my hands behind my back and placed handcuffs on them. He asked me if I usually open carried a firearm, I told him yes. At some point around this time another officer arrived which the first officer whose name was Robert W. Brazel informed me was his sergeant. The first officer then asked if I had an I.D. I asked if he was requesting it or demanding it and he told me at that time he was only requesting it. I gave the officer permission to retrieve my wallet from my front left pants pocket and to retrieve my driver’s license and my CCW permit. The officer asked me why the weapon wasn’t concealed and I told him I carried it openly because it was easier to get to in case I needed it and If I was wearing a jacket it made it easier to get to. The officer then informed me his sergeant (Sgt. Gary L. Jackson) was going to watch me while he ran my info. I asked officer Brazel if he had just happened to see me or if a complaint was called in, he told me he was just driving through the parking lot. He told me you don’t just see a man with a gun strapped to him every day and that was why he had stopped me, not that he felt I had committed any crime. After returning from his cruiser officer Brazel informed me he was going to remove the cuffs and I was not to touch my firearm. I complied with this order. He then gave me what he said was “friendly advise” and that he was very surprised that nobody had called. He also told me that if somebody had called and been upset that I would be arrested for disorderly conduct or inducing panic and taken to the county jail. He told me the issuing county for my concealed carry permit would be notified and at their digression revoked. He then returned my I.D. and CCW to my wallet and Filled out an interview card for his boss and asked me my personal information including home address, phone number, employer, and any scars or tattoos. He then told me I was free to go and the two officers left and I then left.