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Where is the Clark County sheriff on the Bundy ranch thing

9026543

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Is he hiding under his desk or is he out supporting Clive Bundy? Has he considered in ordering the BLM to leave as he has the authority to do that very thing. There will be many people at the Bundy ranch open carrying firearms how will he handle that?
 

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Since when has involving our sheriff's department actually HELPED a tense situation?

Are you looking for someone to fire the first shots?
 
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I'm guessing that if Gestapo Doug sent his goons out there, it would be in support of the federal jack booted thugs, against the citizens he is sworn to protect...

TBG
 
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You mean he's not willing to take a position against federal agents following lawful orders to remove cattle from someone who refused to pay a fee of a dollar per head per month..... And who defied three different levels of federal courts and caused all kinds of environmental damage while practically stealing public resources? Who would've guessed? :rolleyes:
 

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You mean he's not willing to take a position against federal agents following lawful orders to remove cattle from someone who refused to pay a fee of a dollar per head per month..... And who defied three different levels of federal courts and caused all kinds of environmental damage while practically stealing public resources? Who would've guessed? :rolleyes:

Cite the constitutional authority of the Feds in these actions.

Yes a sheriff can take a stand for the people of his state against the feds,,,,that is supposed to be the design of the federation of sovereign states, the states created the Federal government not the other way around.
 

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You mean he's not willing to take a position against federal agents following lawful orders to remove cattle from someone who refused to pay a fee of a dollar per head per month..... And who defied three different levels of federal courts and caused all kinds of environmental damage while practically stealing public resources? Who would've guessed? :rolleyes:

We need individuals to stand up to these so called "lawful orders" Japanese internment camps would have been a nice time to start. Jailing people for simply educating slaves was done under "lawful order." It seems that the true cattle are the ones who blindly do what they are told, finding themselves justifying the loading of humans onto train cars.

You wrote:
And who defied three different levels of federal courts

Lets look at others who have done the same:

  • The Founding fathers
  • Underground Railroad
  • Original Tea Party Participants in Boston
Does the "theater" of court somehow make immoral acts moral?
 

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We need individuals to stand up to these so called "lawful orders" Japanese internment camps would have been a nice time to start. Jailing people for simply educating slaves was done under "lawful order." It seems that the true cattle are the ones who blindly do what they are told, finding themselves justifying the loading of humans onto train cars.

You wrote:

Lets look at others who have done the same:

  • The Founding fathers
  • Underground Railroad
  • Original Tea Party Participants in Boston
Does the "theater" of court somehow make immoral acts moral?

Aren't you precious :rolleyes:
 

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This may be a more complicated situation than it appears. I believe Bundy and his family have been ranching there since 1870; it would seem that he has a right to the land. Possession is 9/10ths of the law, as it is said.

The complication may be: did the state of Nevada, through the legislature, cede that state land to the federal government, or did it just allow the feds to manage the land for limited purposes, while the state still retains sole possession of the land? There was an old case where a man committed a murder at a shipyard, which was occupied and managed by the feds, with state permission. However, the state never ceded the shipyard to the feds, thus retaining possession as state property. The man was charged in federal court with murder. The federal judge threw out the indictment; he found that the feds had no jurisdiction over the shipyard, as the state never ceded it to the feds. The man was then tried for murder in state court.

If Nevada ceded the land to the feds, the feds can pretty much do what they want with the land, unless there were limitations placed by the state as a condition for ceding the land. If the state still retains possession, the state has jurisdiction over the land; the feds do not.
 
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You mean he's not willing to take a position against federal agents following lawful orders to remove cattle from someone who refused to pay a fee of a dollar per head per month..... And who defied three different levels of federal courts and caused all kinds of environmental damage while practically stealing public resources? Who would've guessed? :rolleyes:

Please get in line, as it will make it easier for the feds to round you up when they're done with cattle and turn their attention to sheep.

TBG
 

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You mean he's not willing to take a position against federal agents following lawful orders to remove cattle from someone who refused to pay a fee of a dollar per head per month..... And who defied three different levels of federal courts and caused all kinds of environmental damage while practically stealing public resources? Who would've guessed? :rolleyes:

Do you really know what you are talking about? “Caused all kinds of environmental damage while practically stealing public resources?” Have you ever been on the land the cows were grazing on? Just what kind of environmental damage are you talking about. The biggest part of the area is barren desert not good for much else. He had turned this barren land into a food producing area for decades. Creating local Jobs.
What kind of public resources are being stolen? Are you talking about the just under one million tax dollars the BLM spent to contract the outfit and helicopter used in rounding up the cattle?
 

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Yes a sheriff can take a stand for the people of his state against the feds,,,,that is supposed to be the design of the federation of sovereign states, the states created the Federal government not the other way around.

+1 Very true.

Any chance the Sheriff will get voted out in the next election cycle?
 

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+1 Very true.

Any chance the Sheriff will get voted out in the next election cycle?

He is retiring. One of his assistants will win the election. It's a very corrupt and well-established system here.
 

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Do you really know what you are talking about? “Caused all kinds of environmental damage while practically stealing public resources?” Have you ever been on the land the cows were grazing on? Just what kind of environmental damage are you talking about. The biggest part of the area is barren desert not good for much else. He had turned this barren land into a food producing area for decades. Creating local Jobs.
What kind of public resources are being stolen? Are you talking about the just under one million tax dollars the BLM spent to contract the outfit and helicopter used in rounding up the cattle?

Clearly you're not familiar with the effects of over grazing, the plants the cattle graze provide ground cover, their roots hold the ground together, overgrazing loosens the ground and can cause dust owls. Irregardless the land is not owned by him. He has no constitutional right to graze his cattle wherever he wants, "creating jobs" does not exempt you from the law. Since people here are big into stupid comparisons, that's like saying its wrong to prosecutes mob members because they create jobs....
 

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A pejorative? Why in the world a personal attack? (Half of the alternative meanings of precious are pejorative.)

Why even try to reason with him? He thinks enforcing a court order basically saying you can't graze for free on land you don't own is the same as loading people on the freight cars to treblinka, someone this paranoid cannot be reasoned with. The escalation is being caused entirely by Mr. bundys chronic refusals and incitement to violence over an issue he could've resolved a decade ago
 

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Clearly you're not familiar with the effects of over grazing, the plants the cattle graze provide ground cover, their roots hold the ground together, overgrazing loosens the ground and can cause dust owls. Irregardless the land is not owned by him. He has no constitutional right to graze his cattle wherever he wants, "creating jobs" does not exempt you from the law. Since people here are big into stupid comparisons, that's like saying its wrong to prosecutes mob members because they create jobs....

That clearly proves one thing you clearly have absolutely no idea about the area he is grazing. Your willingness to base you objection on assassin assumptions and non-existing comparisons is in my opinion a indcation of a person that just likes to read their own postings and not worthy of anymore comments.
 

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Clearly you're not familiar with the effects of over grazing, the plants the cattle graze provide ground cover, their roots hold the ground together, overgrazing loosens the ground and can cause dust owls. ...

I've personally walked the land in question. It is not overgrazed or suffering from what you describe.

I am not an expert in anything else related to this issue, however, and have reserved judgment of Mr. Bundy.
 
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