saveyourself
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Understandable
but, things might change!
Understandable
but, things might change!
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Britain deploys permanently armed police in London
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marshaul
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saveyourself wrote:
saveyourself wrote:
I hope, for the sake of the broader future of European liberty.Understandable
but, things might change!
marshaul
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Tomahawk wrote:
Imagine that! Gaggles of armed Brits, nary an armed cop to be found, and somehow their society wasn't in ruins.
Tomahawk wrote:
Once upon a time, it was a common occurrence for citizens to be armed within the confines of London, where the police have been disarmed by tradition since the 19th century.
Imagine that! Gaggles of armed Brits, nary an armed cop to be found, and somehow their society wasn't in ruins.
saveyourself
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Have a look at my link to the hansard debate minutes thingy..
Have a look at my link to the hansard debate minutes thingy..
KBCraig
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marshaul wrote:
marshaul wrote:
I suspect the cradle of future European liberty is more likely to be in Prague.saveyourself wrote:
I hope, for the sake of the broader future of European liberty.Understandable
but, things might change!
ccwinstructor
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Let me second the welcome to the open carry site! It is very nice to have a person of your experience and perspective on the site. I look forward to your continued participation and insight.
I also recommend the scholarly work by Joyce Lee Malcom. It is perhaps the best history and explanation of how England came to be where it is now.
I would also recommend "Firearms Control" by Colin Greenwood, written in 1972. Here is a review:
"This was a landmark reference when it first appeared over three decades ago. Now retired senior police officer Greenwood won a study award at Cambridge University (UK) to study firearm-armed violence in England and Wales. He came to the arguably startling conclusion that violence with firearms was much lower before any controls existed, particularly before the 1920 legislation was passed. He also notes that this legislation was intended to curb revolutionary fervour, not control crime. Later laws particularly those passed in the 1960s and 1970s seemed to have little effect upon reducing violence with firearms. "
Let me second the welcome to the open carry site! It is very nice to have a person of your experience and perspective on the site. I look forward to your continued participation and insight.
I also recommend the scholarly work by Joyce Lee Malcom. It is perhaps the best history and explanation of how England came to be where it is now.
I would also recommend "Firearms Control" by Colin Greenwood, written in 1972. Here is a review:
"This was a landmark reference when it first appeared over three decades ago. Now retired senior police officer Greenwood won a study award at Cambridge University (UK) to study firearm-armed violence in England and Wales. He came to the arguably startling conclusion that violence with firearms was much lower before any controls existed, particularly before the 1920 legislation was passed. He also notes that this legislation was intended to curb revolutionary fervour, not control crime. Later laws particularly those passed in the 1960s and 1970s seemed to have little effect upon reducing violence with firearms. "
marshaul
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KBCraig wrote:
However, the influence of Britain is not to be ignored.
KBCraig wrote:
I was saying something similar the other day.marshaul wrote:I suspect the cradle of future European liberty is more likely to be in Prague.saveyourself wrote:
I hope, for the sake of the broader future of European liberty.Understandable
but, things might change!
However, the influence of Britain is not to be ignored.
saveyourself
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I'm not keen on being "in" europe at all (politicaly speaking).
I'm not keen on being "in" europe at all (politicaly speaking).
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To saveyourself, marshaul et al.:
Let me begin with a caveat. I'm a huge fan of Winston Churchill and have read numerous accounts of his life and career so I can't point to which one I read this in. But . . . in the Battle of Sidney Street in which anarchists fired on police one writer claimed the first police on the scene borrowed revolvers from citizens.
Has anyone else seen this or is it merely urban legend? If true it would be a devastating irony. (Might this earn a historian an ASB caution in the brave, new England of only approved facts?).
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I note today that being photographed with a knife, even in your home, can bring the police around. Does it occur to anyone that your police, not to mention local councils, are out of control?
I wonder if the nation that did so much to create Western civilization can ever be revived.
To saveyourself, marshaul et al.:
Let me begin with a caveat. I'm a huge fan of Winston Churchill and have read numerous accounts of his life and career so I can't point to which one I read this in. But . . . in the Battle of Sidney Street in which anarchists fired on police one writer claimed the first police on the scene borrowed revolvers from citizens.
Has anyone else seen this or is it merely urban legend? If true it would be a devastating irony. (Might this earn a historian an ASB caution in the brave, new England of only approved facts?).
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I note today that being photographed with a knife, even in your home, can bring the police around. Does it occur to anyone that your police, not to mention local councils, are out of control?
I wonder if the nation that did so much to create Western civilization can ever be revived.
marshaul
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Now, I have no citation to support the veracity of that story.
But I suspect it's true. The wikipedia article reports that the first police to respond were unarmed, and it was the shooting of a couple of those officers which led to the massive armed police response and "siege".
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if one or more of the surviving officers from that initial encounter armed themselves with borrowed guns before the reinforcements arrived.
Now, I have no citation to support the veracity of that story.
But I suspect it's true. The wikipedia article reports that the first police to respond were unarmed, and it was the shooting of a couple of those officers which led to the massive armed police response and "siege".
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if one or more of the surviving officers from that initial encounter armed themselves with borrowed guns before the reinforcements arrived.
saveyourself
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I have also read the story of Sydney Street - somewhere? I don't think it is disputed that the police borrowed pistols from members of the public. IIRC the Anarchists where burned to death in a building they hid in.
I understand it was possible to have a firearm for defence as recently as 1953. As someone mentioned, the rot set in earlythe 20thC when the rulers of the day feared The People venting their spleen!
All the wrong reasons for gun control in my opinion.
I have also read the story of Sydney Street - somewhere? I don't think it is disputed that the police borrowed pistols from members of the public. IIRC the Anarchists where burned to death in a building they hid in.
I understand it was possible to have a firearm for defence as recently as 1953. As someone mentioned, the rot set in earlythe 20thC when the rulers of the day feared The People venting their spleen!
All the wrong reasons for gun control in my opinion.
saveyourself
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We should have a caption competition on that image.
We could us it for the British subsecution avatar.
We should have a caption competition on that image.
We could us it for the British subsecution avatar.
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One of my favorite photos, grapeshot. It captures the man perfectly.
saveyourself,
You're right about the fight. Mr. Churchill was home secretary at the time and rushed to the scene. After the fire broke out and the felons continued to shoot, Churchill ordered the fire brigade to stand down and let it burn rather than risk firemen's lives. I shudder to imagine the calumny he would be subjected to today.
Allow me another anecdote. In 1940, when Nazi invasion seemed imminent the Churchills were discussing the peril over dinner and he was telling all that they must be prepared to fight. His daughter-in-law Pamela (later Harriman) told him she didn't know about guns and couldn't even shoot.
He is reported to have glared at her over his glasses and said "You can go to the kitchen and take up a carving knife." This is the spirit that created and sustained England.
And then there's today.
One of my favorite photos, grapeshot. It captures the man perfectly.
saveyourself,
You're right about the fight. Mr. Churchill was home secretary at the time and rushed to the scene. After the fire broke out and the felons continued to shoot, Churchill ordered the fire brigade to stand down and let it burn rather than risk firemen's lives. I shudder to imagine the calumny he would be subjected to today.
Allow me another anecdote. In 1940, when Nazi invasion seemed imminent the Churchills were discussing the peril over dinner and he was telling all that they must be prepared to fight. His daughter-in-law Pamela (later Harriman) told him she didn't know about guns and couldn't even shoot.
He is reported to have glared at her over his glasses and said "You can go to the kitchen and take up a carving knife." This is the spirit that created and sustained England.
And then there's today.
saveyourself
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Ah! a man after my own heart
I have a little (British made) air pistol for my girls to practice with. Bar the recoil, they takesome skill to shoot accurately and the basic principles are the same.
Ah! a man after my own heart
I have a little (British made) air pistol for my girls to practice with. Bar the recoil, they takesome skill to shoot accurately and the basic principles are the same.
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save,
My two sons, in their 40s now were shooting since just past toddler stage. By 8 they were using my 1911 .45 to good effect. I gave one of my granddaughters a Ruger target pistol for her 13th Christmas. She is off to university this fall to become a Navy officer and later a doctor. I'm not very proud of her at all.
I wish I could introduce your girls to real shooting. I'll bet they would like the Beretta 9mm. It's heavy enough so recoil is negligible even for little ones.
save,
My two sons, in their 40s now were shooting since just past toddler stage. By 8 they were using my 1911 .45 to good effect. I gave one of my granddaughters a Ruger target pistol for her 13th Christmas. She is off to university this fall to become a Navy officer and later a doctor. I'm not very proud of her at all.
I wish I could introduce your girls to real shooting. I'll bet they would like the Beretta 9mm. It's heavy enough so recoil is negligible even for little ones.
saveyourself
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I've had a bit of a cunning plan!
My wife want's to take the children to Disneyland (Paris). I have heard from guys at work who have been there since the last time we went, it is so expensive thatit is probably cheaper to use the one in Florida.I understand Florida has quite a few ranges, not too far from Disneyland !! Where a Gentleman may enjoy an afternoons pistol practice:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate
I wonder if they have an age limit?
I've had a bit of a cunning plan!
My wife want's to take the children to Disneyland (Paris). I have heard from guys at work who have been there since the last time we went, it is so expensive thatit is probably cheaper to use the one in Florida.
I understand Florida has quite a few ranges, not too far from Disneyland !! Where a Gentleman may enjoy an afternoons pistol practice:celebrate:celebrate:celebrateI wonder if they have an age limit?
saveyourself
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Nice to hear you granddaughter is doing so well. Obviously a very cleaver girl.
Now a Beretta in my Christmas stocking would be a rather good gift:lol:and I thought an ipod would be fab.
Nice to hear you granddaughter is doing so well. Obviously a very cleaver girl.
Now a Beretta in my Christmas stocking would be a rather good gift:lol:and I thought an ipod would be fab.
saveyourself
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I have just thought of a caption for the old Winston picture,
"You want to take my what? off me?" if you look at the image as you imagine him saying it, you will find it funny.....
I have just thought of a caption for the old Winston picture,
"You want to take my what? off me?" if you look at the image as you imagine him saying it, you will find it funny.....
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saveyourself wrote:
My son was shooting at several ranges he was 8 yrs old.
Should this become a real possibility, pose your questions in the Florida section. You surely will get good response.
Yata hey
saveyourself wrote:
Most ranges will likely work with you, subject to some variables.I've had a bit of a cunning plan!
My wife want's to take the children to Disneyland (Paris). I have heard from guys at work who have been there since the last time we went, it is so expensive thatit is probably cheaper to use the one in Florida.
I wonder if they have an age limit?
My son was shooting at several ranges he was 8 yrs old.
Should this become a real possibility, pose your questions in the Florida section. You surely will get good response.
Yata hey