Chinese Company buys AMC Movie Theaters--will it impact Carry Rghts?

[paramedic70002]

Well since Skidmark brought it up, I'll ask a question that has absolutely nothing to do with prevailing law, and speaks entirely to "common sense."

What has more weight? Human rights (right to life/self defense) or property rights?

 

[Daylen]

Just curious, what makes you think the Brits or French give a damn about US liberty?

I've never heard of a chinese or asian version of Soros (yes I know he's not french or british, but he's still European). I have heard of quite a few other progressive European groups that try to influence us.

 

[skidmark]

Well since Skidmark brought it up, I'll ask a question that has absolutely nothing to do with prevailing law, and speaks entirely to "common sense."

What has more weight? Human rights (right to life/self defense) or property rights?

Weight? As in case law supporting the notion? How about we start with asking where Human Rights cases are argued?

As I recall, Human Rights are the provence of the International Court - unless we win another war and set up a special tribunal.

And just to muddy the water further, should we address the notion that Human Rights are addressed via the Constitution whereas property rights are addressed by civil case law?

Comparing apples to avocados will turn into a very messy endeavor once we open them up to see how the mechanisms work.

stay safe.

 

[paramedic70002]

Weight? As in case law supporting the notion? How about we start with asking where Human Rights cases are argued?

As I recall, Human Rights are the provence of the International Court - unless we win another war and set up a special tribunal.

And just to muddy the water further, should we address the notion that Human Rights are addressed via the Constitution whereas property rights are addressed by civil case law?

Comparing apples to avocados will turn into a very messy endeavor once we open them up to see how the mechanisms work.

stay safe.

Weight as in "common sense" or if you wish, in the heart. I am NOT trying to argue a court case. Just sayin' that in my PERSONAL OPINION, the human right to self defense trumps the private property right of someone who welcomes the public onto their property, usually for the purpose of financial gain FROM said public.

 

[since9]

Hell, if you enjoyed yourself seeing that movie then god love you.
Personally, Im sick and god damn tired of all these comic book movies coming out.

But I like comic book movies!

I just wish there were films still being made that are intelligent, cutting edge and intellectual.

There are. Try the TV series Life (2007). One of my favorite movies is Hopscotch with Walter Matthau. Another is To End All Wars (2001), with Keifer Sutherland, about prisoners of war enlisted by the Japanese to build the Railroad of Death. Finally, there's The Way Back (2010), about a band of Siberian Labor Camp escapees making their way across Siberia and through China.

Just because I like the movie Kick Ass doesn't mean I'm a walking labotomy when it comes to the finer points of life.

These comic book movies are nothing more than cheap entertainment. Not art.

You're absolutely right. The key word here is "entertainment," in that they're still fun to watch. I wouldn't call football "art," either, but I still enjoy watching it on occasion.

 

[LkWd_Don]

Who goes to movie theatres anymore except video pirates?

My wife and I do for special Movies that we want to see on the big screen. So this is a disturbing article for us as we are members of AMC Stubbs. We can only hope that the US Regulators will deny the purchase because China is one of the biggest copyright infringer's on the planet and this would be their leverage into violating movie copyrights.

 

[scott58dh]

We ain't in commie Land Yet !!! <[;>)

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When I see THIS Disgustingly poor excuse of a "Human Rights" Flag flying on the pole outside of my favorite movie theater, THEN I'll be concerned about OC/CC.

Unless there's a check point at the door, with dogs, wands & *RUBBER GLOVES* :shocker:, What ***THEY*** don't know, won't hurt em'.

The way I interpret it is this, when/if the stuff hits the fan, then I'm already in deep doo-doo, so, I say, lit it rip and get ready to "meet yer' maker".

I'll take my chances with the fallout later, but at the critical decision making moment, to protect myself & Loved ones, it's til' the last breath drawn that ***THEY*** will disarm me from my RKBA :exclaim::exclaim:

So, with that said,,,,,,, Peace & RKBA 4ever !

 

[Aknazer]

Dreamer and all the rest of you -

I am more than disappointed in you. First of all for even trying to suggest that you have any "right" to carry on private property. I suppose because of the rhetoric being thrown around it really is neccessary to remind you that "rights" are what you have in relation to the government, not in relation to private property owners. (Yes, in certain circumstances the government (read SCOTUS) has stepped in and said that even private property owners cannot deny certain rights just because it is private property. But so far SCOTUS as not extended the right to keep and bear arms to the same status/stature as they did for "equal protection" when striking down the "separate but equal" stuff.) Second, I am disappointed in you all for elevating the right of a private property owner who happens to be a foreign national to the level of a global conspiracy to disarm American citizens. Some (all?) of you probably need to loosen your aluminum foil hats. [Would that real tin foil was still available for you to use in shaping your hats.]

I think it is neccessary to point out that you folks did not jump on the conspiracy bandwagon when Cracker Barrel, for example, decided to enforce a no-firearms policy. Or Waffle House. Or AMC Theaters before they were bought by the Chinese.

Do you really need to be encouraged to brush the Cheetos dust off your chests and come up out of the basement for some sunshine and fresh air?

stay safe.

Whoa now, quit painting with such a broad brush there. I in no way tried to suggest that I have the "right" to carry on private property. It is the owner's right to choose to ban guns if they want. And it is my right to choose to take my business elsewhere. I was simply saying that this would be one more reason for me to not go to the movie theaters, as if the retardedly high price for both admission and snacks wasn't enough of a deterrent.

 

[skidmark]

Weight as in "common sense" or if you wish, in the heart. I am NOT trying to argue a court case. Just sayin' that in my PERSONAL OPINION, the human right to self defense trumps the private property right of someone who welcomes the public onto their property, usually for the purpose of financial gain FROM said public.

While I philosophically agree with you 100%, I am forced by reality to recognize that philosophy is often nothing more than happy thoughts. Especially when reality sinks its fangs into my hindquarters with the evil intent of protecting those private property rights. Remember that "private property rights" were one of those things that the Founders believed very strongly in and that they set up the constitution to protect from both The Government and interloping thinkers of happy thoughts.

stay safe.

 

[skidmark]

Whoa now, quit painting with such a broad brush there. I in no way tried to suggest that I have the "right" to carry on private property. It is the owner's right to choose to ban guns if they want. And it is my right to choose to take my business elsewhere. I was simply saying that this would be one more reason for me to not go to the movie theaters, as if the retardedly high price for both admission and snacks wasn't enough of a deterrent.

I do believe that there were more than you and Dreamer in the conversation, and that the conversation roamed fairly broadly. If you interpreted my comment as a direct attack it is my duty to inform you that such an interpretation was in error.

stay safe.

 

[SFCRetired]

Having just spent two very interesting months in China, please allow me to give you my insight:

1. The hierarchy in China is determined to not only stay in power, but to expand that power by acquiring influence, specifically financial, over other nations. I have been told, but cannot verify, that the Chinese government holds a huge chunk of U.S. indebtedness by way of Treasury bills and other governmental bonds.

2. The ordinary Chinese, while fearful of firearms for the most part, also display a healthy fascination with them. The military museum that I visited in Beijing had miniature working (non-firing) models of various weapons, to include the ever-popular 1911. That counter had a huge crowd around it.

3. The Chinese that I interacted with were absolutely enthralled when they learned that I openly carry a sidearm on a day-to-day basis. I cannot begin to enumerate the questions that I was asked. The younger Chinese in the United States are very open to going to a range and burning through some ammunition. I've taken three so far and plan to take more. It's enjoyable to watch their excitement and to feel their pride when they actually hit the target.

4. Conclusion: Any Chinese company that is headed by influential members of the Party will almost assuredly institute anti-gun policies. The only way that can be reversed is, as someone else said, by showing them that it will hurt their profits.

 

[Daylen]

Weight as in "common sense" or if you wish, in the heart. I am NOT trying to argue a court case. Just sayin' that in my PERSONAL OPINION, the human right to self defense trumps the private property right of someone who welcomes the public onto their property, usually for the purpose of financial gain FROM said public.

"PERSONAL" opinions are like sphincters, they should be kept private and not shared with the public.

 

[VinnAY]

I carry right on past AMC's signs, I could give a flying care in the wind about it, too. Been carrying past everyones(!) no gun sign for 2.5 years now, several times a month at AMC. The only thing that stops me are metal detectors and searches, ala the Sprint Center (comes to mind).

 

[Aknazer]

Having just spent two very interesting months in China, please allow me to give you my insight:

1. The hierarchy in China is determined to not only stay in power, but to expand that power by acquiring influence, specifically financial, over other nations. I have been told, but cannot verify, that the Chinese government holds a huge chunk of U.S. indebtedness by way of Treasury bills and other governmental bonds.

2. The ordinary Chinese, while fearful of firearms for the most part, also display a healthy fascination with them. The military museum that I visited in Beijing had miniature working (non-firing) models of various weapons, to include the ever-popular 1911. That counter had a huge crowd around it.

3. The Chinese that I interacted with were absolutely enthralled when they learned that I openly carry a sidearm on a day-to-day basis. I cannot begin to enumerate the questions that I was asked. The younger Chinese in the United States are very open to going to a range and burning through some ammunition. I've taken three so far and plan to take more. It's enjoyable to watch their excitement and to feel their pride when they actually hit the target.

4. Conclusion: Any Chinese company that is headed by influential members of the Party will almost assuredly institute anti-gun policies. The only way that can be reversed is, as someone else said, by showing them that it will hurt their profits.

The last number that I heard was that the Chinese hold $860+ billion dollars of our debt. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more, that was simply the last number I heard in regards to how much of our debt they have.

 

[LkWd_Don]

The last number that I heard was that the Chinese hold $860+ billion dollars of our debt. I wouldn't be surprised if it was more, that was simply the last number I heard in regards to how much of our debt they have.

I have seen a break down on whom we owe what..
But as of December 2010 we owed Foreign Countries a total of Dec. p............ 9,121,205 (in Millions.. meaning we owe 9.1 Trillion) Source of this data is: http://www.fms.treas.gov/bulletin/b2011_1.pdf

EDIT: Found in the same data on its page 55 is TABLE CM-I-2.—Total Liabilities by Country, con. Which shows what we owe various Countries. Page 55 has Asia and lists China under both China Mainland and Hong-Kong and the total shown for 2010 157,881 "Millions"

 

[Sig229]

There are. Try the TV series Life (2007). One of my favorite movies is Hopscotch with Walter Matthau. Another is To End All Wars (2001), with Keifer Sutherland, about prisoners of war enlisted by the Japanese to build the Railroad of Death. Finally, there's The Way Back (2010), about a band of Siberian Labor Camp escapees making their way across Siberia and through China.

J

Thanks, I'll check some of them out.

 

[paramedic70002]

"PERSONAL" opinions are like sphincters, they should be kept private and not shared with the public.

It's official then, we can close down the forum.

 

[cbxer55]

Who goes to movie theatres anymore except video pirates?

Agree with that statement. Have not been to a theater in years. And when I last went I had me trusty 1911 on me. When I go to malls, I also have it on me. But I do not frequent malls either, hate them. I am pretty sure (have to get the book out again) that we cannot carry in sporting events and its a fact in the f--king casinos. So I avoid those two like the plague. Generally I just avoid going anywhere I cannot carry, its there loss not mine.

Not going to the casino = more money in my pocket.
No sporting events = not paying for over-priced tickets.
No movie theater = not paying exorbitant prices for ticket.
Not going to malls - not paying for junk I do not need.

 

[Herr Heckler Koch]

Not going to the casino = more money in my pocket.
No sporting events = not paying for over-priced tickets.
No movie theater = not paying exorbitant prices for ticket.
Not going to malls - not paying for junk I do not need.

My leather Lazy Boy is the best seat in the house.
My SONY Bravia is a fine window onto the virtual world.
There are fine virtual malls by the score. (Sierra Valley Trading is American made only!)
NetFlix sends movies almost faster than I can watch them.
I generally have a glass of Sapphire Dr. Bombay while watching a movie in my theater.

 

[cbxer55]

My leather Lazy Boy is the best seat in the house.
My SONY Bravia is a fine window onto the virtual world.
There are fine virtual malls by the score. (Sierra Valley Trading is American made only!)
NetFlix sends movies almost faster than I can watch them.
I generally have a glass of Sapphire Dr. Bombay while watching a movie in my theater.

I like to smoke em big cigar, and have a glass or three of Wild Turkey 101 neat. Try doing that in a theater. ;-)