DaveT319
Regular Member
I have a lot of random thoughts on this issue that all tie together, but not cohesively (especially at this hour), so please bear with me.
We know the story of Shaneen Allen, the Philadelphia woman who was arrested in New Jersey for concealed carrying a hand gun that she had a permit in Pennsylvania for. The issue, of course, was the NJ did not recognize PA's permit.
Ever since then, I have been thinking about this issue, and why it's even an issue. We have the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms. That is NATIONAL. So how can states choose not to recognize another state's licensing of concealed carriers. Of course, I firmly believe that the permits themselves are an infringement on our right, so I refuse to get one. At this time, I mostly open carry, but sometimes concealed carry if the situation demands it. Yes, I admit it. But that's a secondary point, though it kind of ties in later.
So, I have family in California that I sometimes go back to visit from Oregon. I'd rather not go back ever again, but sometimes I must; not because I don't love my family, but because I hate CA, the state I lived in for the first 36 years of my life. CA, as most know, has some ****** gun laws. One of them is that OC is almost completely banned, except in rural areas. Doesn't help me, as my family all lives in cities. Second, they do not recognize any other state's concealed carry license. Third, they do not issue non-resident permits. So basically, if you visit the state, you must be unarmed.
Isn't this a violation of our 2nd Amendment right? My rights do not end at their border. So how can they say that if I come to their state that I can no longer exercise my 2nd Amendment right? Even if I had a CHL, I still have no right to carry as a visitor to that state. No one does, from anywhere in the country.
So how do we get this changed? Lawsuit, saying that the 2nd Amendment rights of a citizen of the US don't become invalid when they enter a state where they don't live? Someone being a "test case", much like Shaneen Allen? It's almost a shame those charges were dropped rather than going to trial, because that would have been good case law.
Personally, when I go there, I will likely carry concealed anyway for two reasons: I refuse to disarm, and the city my family is in has enough crime that I'm more afraid of that than being arrested. Assuming I practice good CC techniques, no one should ever know that I'm even carrying in violation of their apparently unConstitutional laws. And hopefully I'll never have to use it, as that would give me away. I'd rather not become the test case myself, but I also don't want to become an unarmed victim.
We know the story of Shaneen Allen, the Philadelphia woman who was arrested in New Jersey for concealed carrying a hand gun that she had a permit in Pennsylvania for. The issue, of course, was the NJ did not recognize PA's permit.
Ever since then, I have been thinking about this issue, and why it's even an issue. We have the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms. That is NATIONAL. So how can states choose not to recognize another state's licensing of concealed carriers. Of course, I firmly believe that the permits themselves are an infringement on our right, so I refuse to get one. At this time, I mostly open carry, but sometimes concealed carry if the situation demands it. Yes, I admit it. But that's a secondary point, though it kind of ties in later.
So, I have family in California that I sometimes go back to visit from Oregon. I'd rather not go back ever again, but sometimes I must; not because I don't love my family, but because I hate CA, the state I lived in for the first 36 years of my life. CA, as most know, has some ****** gun laws. One of them is that OC is almost completely banned, except in rural areas. Doesn't help me, as my family all lives in cities. Second, they do not recognize any other state's concealed carry license. Third, they do not issue non-resident permits. So basically, if you visit the state, you must be unarmed.
Isn't this a violation of our 2nd Amendment right? My rights do not end at their border. So how can they say that if I come to their state that I can no longer exercise my 2nd Amendment right? Even if I had a CHL, I still have no right to carry as a visitor to that state. No one does, from anywhere in the country.
So how do we get this changed? Lawsuit, saying that the 2nd Amendment rights of a citizen of the US don't become invalid when they enter a state where they don't live? Someone being a "test case", much like Shaneen Allen? It's almost a shame those charges were dropped rather than going to trial, because that would have been good case law.
Personally, when I go there, I will likely carry concealed anyway for two reasons: I refuse to disarm, and the city my family is in has enough crime that I'm more afraid of that than being arrested. Assuming I practice good CC techniques, no one should ever know that I'm even carrying in violation of their apparently unConstitutional laws. And hopefully I'll never have to use it, as that would give me away. I'd rather not become the test case myself, but I also don't want to become an unarmed victim.