Smith45acp
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I walk into the Fedex Kinkos this morning at Maynard and Walnut street in Cary to have some items boxed for me and shipped. I've OC'd in this location before but of course I check the doors on the way in for signage.
I hand my things to be boxed up to one clerk and he goes in the back to wrap it up for me. After a couple of minutes one of the other associates behind the counter walks over to me and asks if I have a CCW. I ask him why he wants to know. He says well there is a customer (and kind of nods towards her) who is "offended" by your pistol. I ask is there a Kinko's policy precluding my carrying OR are you asking me to leave because I will do so right away. He says oh no no you don't have to leave. So I said well sir I am not willing to conceal my handgun. So he says ok and walks back over to her like hey I tried.
So ten minutes later I'm standing around still waiting on my things to be boxed up, facing the counter when someone grabs both of my wrists from behind and lifts them up my back so I can't move and says this is officer Harris with the Cary Police Dept., I need you to come with me. So there I am with my credit card and shipping documents left on the counter and I get "purp walked" past about 6 customers in line behind me who are all staring at me like I'm a criminal. On the way out I believe it was the other officer, CPD Officer Burch who disarmed me. We get outside and I'm told to put my hands on the ext. wall and spread em. I comply physically but the whole time I'm telling the officers you need to take a breath and rethink this approach you are making a big mistake. They remove my spyderco from my front pocket and turn me around. Harris asks to see my CCW and ID. I said sir I'm neither driving a car nor carrying a concealed weapon. He says "your gun was partially concealed, if you don't show me your ccw I will charge you". Not wanting to deal with even a completely bogus charge like this I comply while saying, "Sir, the gun was holstered, OF COURSE it is partially concealed just like yours is." (I carry in an IWB supertuck with my shirt tucked in around it, like some of you may have noticed at Five Guys last week. I am adamantly explaining to them that I have broken no laws, and even had the express permission of one of the employees to be carrying inside the store. I keep asking them why they have embarrassed me and purp walked me out of a perfectly legal business transaction and they say we got a 911 call that you were in the store with a gun. I respond "And...???" That's it? I'm not accused of brandishing or threatening anyone? Well no sir but we have to investigate these calls and for our safety we disarmed you. Officer Harris even asks me if I've ever heard of GATTTOTP. I say yes I sure have and my holstered firearm isn't even the same sport, much less the same ball park as that statute. Are you charging me with GATTTOTP? "Well, no". "Then why are you even mentioning that irrelevant statute?" So we go round and round like that for a while before they hand me my empty weapon back and finally say I'm free to go. I said you know what the worse part about this is guys? The ignoramus that called your dispatch is very pleased with herself right now in thinking she's done the right thing. They said they would call her back to let her know I wasn't breaking any laws. I said your dispatcher should have done that from the get go.
I walked back inside and to complete my shipment and of course everyone is staring at me. ONE GUY in the front of the line looks at me and says man that really aint right son.
I get through with Fedex and immediately drive over to CPD to file a complaint. I'm pointed to a community officer who listens to my story and then politely says "Yeah that's exactly how they should have handled it and I would have done the same thing." Then goes into the spiel about officer safety etc... He says the Sgt. I need to speak with to file a complaint isn't here but can be in 10 minutes. I said please send him and wait in the lobby.
Sgt. Hundley arrives and listens to my explanation of events and is a very cool dude. He tried several times (with plenty of tact) to talk me out of filing an official complaint / allowing him to handle it personally but I politely said he could still work on things on his end after I made a record of it. He had to remain neutral but agreed with me that it was an unfortunate turn of events. He said it likely wasn't the officers' fault since all they got from dispatch was an MWAG call. I agreed that the dispatch should have asked for some basic info before sending out the call but explained how the officers' attitudes toward my lawfully OC'ing had clearly not changed even after they had plenty of time to ascertain I was no criminal. They made it clear from beginning to end that my OC'ing was not a good idea and I could fully expect this same reaction from CPD the next time they got a call with no more detail than a MWAG.
I'm posting this here because I want to share the experience first and foremost, but I also want honest reactions to how I have handled it so far, and what, if anything else, I should or could be doing. Every time I think about this I get very angry at both the lady who called and the CPD's justifying her irrational complaint with their response.
I'm supposed to get a call from one of the CPD higher ups in the near future regarding my complaint, and will keep the thread updated.
-Adam
::UPDATED::
Here is the audio of the call to the non emergency line:
http://www.supload.com/sound_confirm.php?get=1279364708.wma
And the associated radio traffic:
http://www.supload.com/listen?s=OWq43h
I walk into the Fedex Kinkos this morning at Maynard and Walnut street in Cary to have some items boxed for me and shipped. I've OC'd in this location before but of course I check the doors on the way in for signage.
I hand my things to be boxed up to one clerk and he goes in the back to wrap it up for me. After a couple of minutes one of the other associates behind the counter walks over to me and asks if I have a CCW. I ask him why he wants to know. He says well there is a customer (and kind of nods towards her) who is "offended" by your pistol. I ask is there a Kinko's policy precluding my carrying OR are you asking me to leave because I will do so right away. He says oh no no you don't have to leave. So I said well sir I am not willing to conceal my handgun. So he says ok and walks back over to her like hey I tried.
So ten minutes later I'm standing around still waiting on my things to be boxed up, facing the counter when someone grabs both of my wrists from behind and lifts them up my back so I can't move and says this is officer Harris with the Cary Police Dept., I need you to come with me. So there I am with my credit card and shipping documents left on the counter and I get "purp walked" past about 6 customers in line behind me who are all staring at me like I'm a criminal. On the way out I believe it was the other officer, CPD Officer Burch who disarmed me. We get outside and I'm told to put my hands on the ext. wall and spread em. I comply physically but the whole time I'm telling the officers you need to take a breath and rethink this approach you are making a big mistake. They remove my spyderco from my front pocket and turn me around. Harris asks to see my CCW and ID. I said sir I'm neither driving a car nor carrying a concealed weapon. He says "your gun was partially concealed, if you don't show me your ccw I will charge you". Not wanting to deal with even a completely bogus charge like this I comply while saying, "Sir, the gun was holstered, OF COURSE it is partially concealed just like yours is." (I carry in an IWB supertuck with my shirt tucked in around it, like some of you may have noticed at Five Guys last week. I am adamantly explaining to them that I have broken no laws, and even had the express permission of one of the employees to be carrying inside the store. I keep asking them why they have embarrassed me and purp walked me out of a perfectly legal business transaction and they say we got a 911 call that you were in the store with a gun. I respond "And...???" That's it? I'm not accused of brandishing or threatening anyone? Well no sir but we have to investigate these calls and for our safety we disarmed you. Officer Harris even asks me if I've ever heard of GATTTOTP. I say yes I sure have and my holstered firearm isn't even the same sport, much less the same ball park as that statute. Are you charging me with GATTTOTP? "Well, no". "Then why are you even mentioning that irrelevant statute?" So we go round and round like that for a while before they hand me my empty weapon back and finally say I'm free to go. I said you know what the worse part about this is guys? The ignoramus that called your dispatch is very pleased with herself right now in thinking she's done the right thing. They said they would call her back to let her know I wasn't breaking any laws. I said your dispatcher should have done that from the get go.
I walked back inside and to complete my shipment and of course everyone is staring at me. ONE GUY in the front of the line looks at me and says man that really aint right son.
I get through with Fedex and immediately drive over to CPD to file a complaint. I'm pointed to a community officer who listens to my story and then politely says "Yeah that's exactly how they should have handled it and I would have done the same thing." Then goes into the spiel about officer safety etc... He says the Sgt. I need to speak with to file a complaint isn't here but can be in 10 minutes. I said please send him and wait in the lobby.
Sgt. Hundley arrives and listens to my explanation of events and is a very cool dude. He tried several times (with plenty of tact) to talk me out of filing an official complaint / allowing him to handle it personally but I politely said he could still work on things on his end after I made a record of it. He had to remain neutral but agreed with me that it was an unfortunate turn of events. He said it likely wasn't the officers' fault since all they got from dispatch was an MWAG call. I agreed that the dispatch should have asked for some basic info before sending out the call but explained how the officers' attitudes toward my lawfully OC'ing had clearly not changed even after they had plenty of time to ascertain I was no criminal. They made it clear from beginning to end that my OC'ing was not a good idea and I could fully expect this same reaction from CPD the next time they got a call with no more detail than a MWAG.
I'm posting this here because I want to share the experience first and foremost, but I also want honest reactions to how I have handled it so far, and what, if anything else, I should or could be doing. Every time I think about this I get very angry at both the lady who called and the CPD's justifying her irrational complaint with their response.
I'm supposed to get a call from one of the CPD higher ups in the near future regarding my complaint, and will keep the thread updated.
-Adam
::UPDATED::
Here is the audio of the call to the non emergency line:
http://www.supload.com/sound_confirm.php?get=1279364708.wma
And the associated radio traffic:
http://www.supload.com/listen?s=OWq43h