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mel5051 wrote:
brokenbarrel wrote:
Custodian wrote:
Sometimes I don't want to carry that big ol' Hi-Point.
I still haven't picked up enough magazines to effectively carry the Browning HP-DA/BDA 380.
However, I am squared away with my Bersa Thunder. I figured when I bought my new suit I'd buy a shoulder rig to "complete the look."
New suit + Bersa Thunder with extra mags = all business, yet casual.
Does anyone else open carry with a shoulder rig?
in most states its illegal to oc anything other than a belt holster;here in arizona ive seen people oc a leg holster,shoulder holster,ankle holster ect...they are all illegal for oc but people do it anyway i guess when they get caught and its brought to their attention that in the law it states belt holster,they'll claim ignorance and loose their gun rights anyway...oh well some people dont research the law before they act..:banghead:
I think he may be getting his information from here:
http://www.azdps.gov/Links/ARS/?l=13/03102.htm
Subsection G mentions 'belt holster' :
G. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster that is wholly or partially visible, carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons that is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage. Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, map pocket, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation.
Might wanna include the full verbage involved:
"G. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a belt holster that is wholly or partially visible, carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying weapons that is wholly or partially visible or carried in luggage. Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a weapon or weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage that is carried within a means of transportation or within a storage compartment, map pocket, trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation."
And for reference, subsection A, paragraph 1:
"A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:
1. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 except a pocket knife concealed on his person; or"
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/03102.htm
Aside from the fact that one could argue the specifics til the cows come home, this does appear to be an existing law here, and one that is, at least so far as the 'belt' portion is concerned, ignored by law enforcement. Kinda like how TECHnically being with a 1000ft radius of a school would be illegal. Not enforced. (On both counts, thankfully.)
It's also worth noting that the 'permit pursuant to section 13-3112' is a CCW permit for the state of Arizona. A permit that every person I know who carries, has (wether they carry open or concealed, or both.) Assuming posession of that permit, subsection A, paragraph 1 is null and void. Also note that posession of said permit in AZ does *NOT* require that the weapon actually be carried in a concealed manner.
Heh, I guess one could argue that a CCW permit also allows a virtually unlimited range of open carry options that wouldn't normally be available without the permit. Interesting...
Considering the number of non-belt rigs I see just at SGC every time I go there, and the number of cops who all but live there, I can't say I'm too worried, although I am glad this was brought up as it's good information to have no matter what.
That said, this may or may not be even remotely relevant to the OP's state. And, back on topic, sorry, I can't say I have ever tried a shoulder rig. I have definitely considered it but just haven't found a strong enough need or desire to try it yet. =)
Edit: I may have nullified most of what I wrote above by re-reading sub A, P1.
"1. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 except a pocket knife concealed on his person; or"
Operative word here, 'concealed.' It may depend on how one reads the sentence (if it's referring to any deadly weapon (except a pocket knife) being concealed, or if it means any deadly weapon (via any mode of carry) and is meant to exempt a hidden pocket knife. I'm leaning towards option A myself.
