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No Second Amendment in Australia.

Haz.

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We have no bill of rights, we have no second amendment. This is why our government was able to bring into law the banning of legally purchased legally owned firearms, and put into place the five hundred million dollar gun buyback.

We in Australia live our lives totally under the control of, and at the whim of whatever government of the day is in power. No God, no fundamental rights, just whoever is in government having the final say about how we live our lives.

The majority of Australians want a Bill of Rights and they want a say about whether it belongs in the Constitution. Even though Australia has signed all five international treaties that make up the the International Bill of Human Rights, none of these treaties are legally binding in Australia. Nor is there is a Bill of Rights in the Australian Constitution. This means that the fundamental rights and freedoms of everyone living in Australia are not protected by the law.

In 1991-1992 the Research School of Social Sciences at ANU conducted a national survey of 1522 Australians and asked them about their attitude to rights. The report Rights in Australia 1991-1992 found that 70.6% of Australians want a Bill of Rights (7.4% were against and 21.8% were undecided). The Survey also found that 85.9% supported a referendum to determine whether a Bill of Rights should be put in the Constitution.
The majority of Australians (57.8%) also believe that a Bill of Rights would strengthen our national identity.

Nevertheless, Australia's politicians continue to deny Australians a Bill of Rights to protect our rights and freedoms.

Why? Is it simply because a Bill of Rights would be an effective check and balance on politicians power?

That would explain why X Prime Minister Howard supported a Bill of Rights for Iraq, but not for his own people.
 
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Howdy Amigo!
The question would be how badly folks down under want their rights. This would require some work by folks with a patriotic zeal.
Here in Colorado, any citizen can petition the government for a redress of grievances. We can organize a group and create a
petition to amend the Colorado Constitution. That petition then must be signed by registered voters in sufficient number to
get the measure on the ballot. Once it does, then at the next election, the measure is voted on by the citizens of Colorado.
If it passes, the measure becomes an amendment to our state Constitution, and there ain't nothing the government can do
about it other than comply with the new amendment.

Government, so far as we are concerned here, functions by consent of the governed. We have regular referrendums, otherwise
known as our right to vote. In Australia, your government requires citizens to vote and has penalties for those who shirk that
responsibility. There's a big opportunity to affect change.

Find and run candidates for public office who are strongly in favor of a Bill of Rights. Support them with money and energy in
the form of working with their campaign to help get them elected. If you can get enough folks dedicated to a bill of rights
elected to your parliment, then the measure can be brought up for consideration.

Here in America, folks running for public office will state their position on issues Americans care about. The 2nd Amendment
is one of those issues. Gun control advocates will not support a candidate who is supportive of the 2nd Amendment. Gun rights
advocates will. They will also contribute to the campaign of such political figure and work with their campaign to help get them
elected. Such work might entail canvassing neighborhoods to promote their candidate, make telephone calls to a list of registered
voters to solicit voter support for their candidate, help send out mailings to constituents, and other chores that can make a
difference in a candidate's chances to represent them.

Now in Australia, if you can organize folks who desire a Bill of Rights, find candidates who agree that a Bill of Rights should be
part of your Constitution, and work at the grass roots level to get such candidates elected to office, you might discover that
change is possible. Is it going to be easy? Probably not, especially with power centric types holding office today. But we've
seen sweeping change in direction here in America several times over the past few decades, and it can happen anywhere.

I'll close by sharing that the Citizens of Great Britain express their desire to keep arms by taking to the streets. There have
been some huge demonstrations there, and folks are getting politically involved. They'll succeed if they can organize behind
candidates who share their view and get them elected to a majority position in Parliment. And if they can do it in Britain, it
will only stoke the fires of liberty in Australia too!

Good luck my friend, and work toward that day when the rights of every citizen of OZ can enjoy rights that the government
cannot deny! I hope it comes quickly for you folks!

Blessings,
M-Taliesin
 

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G'day Haz

I'm an Aussie living in the States and I one big question for you. Do you want the likes of the Labor government and the green and the superintendents writing the bill of rights. After the big F*** up of the last election I think the average Aussie does trust those aholes as far as they can throw them
 
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G'day Haz

I'm an Aussie living in the States and I one big question for you. Do you want the likes of the Labor government and the green and the superintendents writing the bill of rights. After the big F*** up of the last election I think the average Aussie does trust those aholes as far as they can throw them

THIS is a HUGE concern for not only our friends in Australia, but here in the states as well. From time to time, the call for a Constitutional Convention arises and one can only imagine what might find its way into and out of our treasured Founding documents with the likes of what constitutes both houses of congress at any given time. What I find most arrogant, ignorant, and outright appallingly anti-American is there are some who think they know better and more than the men who designed our nation.

You good people of Australia should work hard for a government that is subject to YOU. Hopefully, you'll one day get it.
 

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Hi Haz old buddy old pal! ;)

Please move to the United States and help us stop our idiots from violating the BoR we already have; since your idiots appear a little harder to deal with. Freedom minded individuals like you are more than welcome here! The more we get, the better off we are.
 
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I love Aussies. You fought side by side with us in 'every' war we've been in since WWI. The Australian SAS is second only to the SEALS in Special Ops. I had the pleasure of serving with RAAF pilots in SEA. You have a beautiful, generous country. TAKE IT BACK! You need to push the Conservative Members to restore rights and have a PM who will stand up for them. It can be done. You need your Reagan. Good luck.
 

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Revolution in Australia...it's the only way ! I am not talking about so nice revolution either, I am talking Bloody... If you want rights..you have to demand them...
 

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Hi Guys.

O C for ME, M Taliosin, Rouge Aussie, Southern Boy, Brass Magnet, Gunslinger and Glock 34. Thanks for your responses.

I would cut my big toe off to be able to drop everything here and just come over. I truly am getting to hate the way this country has let a hand full of grubs destroy our freedoms.

Get this, I had a minor physical health problem which was investigated by my doctor and a specialist, was correctly diagnosed and treated, and cured and is now totally under control. Whilst this was going on the RTA, (Roads and Traffic Authority) required me to take a special form to my doctor of 20+ years and have him examine me again, to see if I was physically able to drive and retain my drivers licence, which he again did. He filled out the two page form answering every question then ticked the "NO" box at the bottom of the form asking if a further or anual review was required.

12 months later, I recieve another medical review form from the RTA requiring me to have another medical to see if I was fit to drive. I rang the RTA this morning saying I had the medical check done last year, I am totally recovered, my doctor ticked the "NO" review box and I am fit to drive. The F*#k'n GREY CARDIGAN at the RTA said, the RTA doesn't necesarrily take the word of the doctor. They may send you this form again and again. I said "WHAT?" Why ask me to have a medical performed by my doctor, not a stranger, if what he says wont be taken on board? Since when does a Grey Cardigan have more medical knowledge than a doctor and a specialist? Mates, were stuffed over here. I will be taking this further.



Heres what were up against. The stinking anti-everything Greens are running the country with the help of the three Amigos, (Indipendents). How these grubs got into power.

Heading in to the 21 August 2010 election, this is what both Labor and the Coalition promised to get peoples vote: "There will be NO carbon tax under a (Labor) Government I lead" - Julia Gillard, August 2010. "There will be no carbon price on consumers under a Coalition government" - Mr Abbott July 2010. In addition, the Coalition advised voters that, if Labor was re-elected, Labor would introduce a carbon tax.

Wayne Swan, now deputy leader, Labor claimed that that was an "hysterical allegation" which Labor rejects and Labor would not introduce a carbon tax. In essence both Labor and the Coalition went to the recent election stating they would NOT impose a carbon tax now on this country.
Voting either for Labor or for the Coalition was voting NO to a carbon tax now.

ONLY the Grubs, i mean Greens wanted action on a carbon price now. The results of the 2010 federal election (Percentage of votes won) are as follows - Coalition 43.7%; Labor 38.0%; Greens 11.7%; Others 6.6%. Meaning, 81.7% of voters voted for Labor or the Coalition...thus 81.7% of voters voted for a political party (Labor/The Coalition) that said NO to a carbon tax now !

Only 11.7% voted for the Greens, who wanted a carbon tax now. THIS TAX IS A DISGRACE, and we look like getting it unless one of the Labor or indipendent M.P's cross the floor.

The Greens, labor, and the Coalition are all anti- firearms, so what hope does a few freedom minded individuals have against these people who love us being dissarmed. Still we wont give up, I wont anyway.

Haz.
 

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Australians don't have a Bill of Rights because England saw what we Americans did to them in the 1700's and didn't want that to happen there. This was of particular concern for the authorities as the majority of the non-indigenous people in Australia were CONVICTS! The government didn't want them to riot and grab the powers, so no BoR.
By the time other colonists arrived and England quit shipping prisoners over, the government then in power saw no need to set up a BoR like ours and stayed that way.

Yes, and John Howard made sure it stays that way by banning frirears, and the majority fell for it. Had the majority said we are not handing in any weapons the government would have had to lock up %90 of the population, an impossible task.

Now, when things go bad, everyone rings talk back radio day and night whining, "we should be up in arms over this or that!" Its a joke. They have no idea what getting up in arms is all about, in fact its now an imposibility.

Haz.
 

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I have been to Australia, both coasts and even (I shouldn't admit it) Melbourne. A great country you have down-under, yet a culture so close to mine and yet permits these laws to pass astounds me. I feel for ya brother, I really do.

Hi OC for ME

Yes, sad isnt it. The government announced its intentions, (we ill bann guns!), and despite much protesting by most people they just rammed it through parliment and made it law.

As proved in the, "Who needs a gun in Australia thread," the criminals now are having a field day.

Haz.
 
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Australians support gun control

Regardless of what some of the so called Australians on this web site say, the vast majority support gun control. We are lucky to live in a country where the people have a say, rather than lobby groups like the NRA. The people in Australia want assault weapons and high capacity magazines out of public hands and our government listens to our wishes. Our gun control measures helped to reduce gun related deaths by 60% since their introduction. We live in a lucky country and don't want to see it ruined by America and I hope it stays that way.
 
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Australians don't have a Bill of Rights because England saw what we Americans did to them in the 1700's and didn't want that to happen there. This was of particular concern for the authorities as the majority of the non-indigenous people in Australia were CONVICTS! The government didn't want them to riot and grab the powers, so no BoR.
By the time other colonists arrived and England quit shipping prisoners over, the government then in power saw no need to set up a BoR like ours and stayed that way.

What a load of rubbish, the second ammendment is an excuse for Americans to own guns and kill each other. We have no intension of ever drafting such a stupid piece of legislation in Australia. You can keep your crazy laws in the USA, they have no use in Australia. You can also keep your AR15 assault weapons in your country as well, we don't want them here.
 

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What a load of rubbish, the second ammendment is an excuse for Americans to own guns and kill each other. We have no intension of ever drafting such a stupid piece of legislation in Australia. You can keep your crazy laws in the USA, they have no use in Australia. You can also keep your AR15 assault weapons in your country as well, we don't want them here.

Without the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, you have no way of defending your other rights.

If you don't like liberty then, please, move to a prison.
 

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Regardless of what some of the so called Australians on this web site say, the vast majority support gun control. We are lucky to live in a country where the people have a say, rather than lobby groups like the NRA. The people in Australia want assault weapons and high capacity magazines out of public hands and our government listens to our wishes. Our gun control measures helped to reduce gun related deaths by 60% since their introduction. We live in a lucky country and don't want to see it ruined by America and I hope it stays that way.

Because violent death by other means than a gun are so much less dead. :lol:
 

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I guess the solution is to let your political process do its thing.

As for us killing each other, there are about 200 million guns here that have never been involved in illegal activity. Should we restrict everyone based on the actions of a very small number if people? What we do have is lots of people who need to either calm down or get dead. Chicago has about 70,000 active criminal gang members, each if whom most likely illegally carries a gun, yet there were only 506 gun killings there last year. That is a big number, but still a small percentage of the whole.
 

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What a load of rubbish, the second amendment is an excuse for Americans to own guns and kill each other. We have no intension of ever drafting such a stupid piece of legislation in Australia. You can keep your crazy laws in the USA, they have no use in Australia. You can also keep your AR15 assault weapons in your country as well, we don't want them here.
Troll.
 

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Regardless of what some of the so called Australians on this web site say, the vast majority support gun control. We are lucky to live in a country where the people have a say, rather than lobby groups like the NRA. The people in Australia want assault weapons and high capacity magazines out of public hands and our government listens to our wishes. Our gun control measures helped to reduce gun related deaths by 60% since their introduction. We live in a lucky country and don't want to see it ruined by America and I hope it stays that way.

The NRA gets 1% of its funding from gun manufacturers and about 2% from gun dealers. The other 97% comes directly from THE PEOPLE. The NRA more directly represents the interests of individual citizens of the US than any other privately funded organization in the USA. Also, they really are not pushing a gun industry agenda, they are pushing a gun owners agenda.

Also, the NRA spends less than 5% of its budget on lobbying. Most of its money not spent on administrative costs and advertising goes to positive activities like education, training, competitions, and various charitable activities and events.
 
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Those who feed the trolls are...well...trolls.

Notice that the troll talks like it is from Australia, but its location says "Thailand." I don't believe a word of what this thing says.


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