Concealed carry only supporters discuss Open Carry in Illinois.
as long as you have a valid FOID card, you will be able to open or conceal carry, AKA "Constitutional Carry".
Requiring an FOID card is NOT Constitutional Carry. Period.
While I agree somewhat, the FOID card is not for carry, it is required in Commie Illinois for buying, owning, possession. Citizens who are not IL residents could carry without the FOID card in IL.
I don't think the FOID card is required to own or possess. One could buy a gun (FOID valid) and then let it lapse...it would not make the possession of the gun bought illegal. If so, many folks in IL would have had their doors knocked down already I would think.
I will probably have to dig, but I believe some years back ISP did exactly that, confiscated guns from gun owners with expired FOID.
http://www.wmsa.net/kc3_020122.htm
WW is correct - they DO confiscate!
I think it was posted on ICarry.org last summer but about a year ago, the state and local police in the Rockford area did a sweep checking if some of the expired FOID's the ISP had still had guns. Of course, they found several people "in possession of" and "in violation of" the FOID rules.
HB997 failed today. This time it was down to 64 votes from 67 after giving it to a bunch more of Chicago's nonsense. They have not yet learned that appeasement will not work unless you give them EVERYTHING they want.
Open Carry was never included in the first place. They didn't need our support. Oh, they said give us CC only with no OC and you will be better off, but it was really a half hearted attempt to say support us while we work against you oc freaks.
So, June 9th is getting closer and unless the NRA, ISRA, and " the website that shall not be named " cave to some horrid Chicago style CC only bill, we may actually get open carry in most of Illinois.
Personally I think they are willing to give away not only 4th and 5th amendment " duty to inform " rights, but just about every other right you can think of before this is over. I certainly don't trust them to keep our "container transport" advances. They hate that almost as much as OC.
However, tick, tock, tick tock. 52 days until Open Carry in Illinois.
8 (a-5) The Department is authorized to issue licenses to
9 carry a handgun under this Act. A license shall permit the
10 licensee to:
11 (1) carry a loaded or unloaded handgun on or about his
12 or her person, concealed or otherwise;
13 (2) keep or carry a loaded or unloaded handgun on or
14 about his or her person when in a vehicle; and
15 (3) keep a loaded or unloaded handgun openly or
16 concealed in a vehicle.
25 Section 95. Home rule preemption. The regulation and
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1 licensing of firearms, including their possession, carrying,
2 transportation, or the issuance of licenses to carry concealed
3 firearms, is an exclusive power and function of the State.
4 Except as provided in subsection (b) of Section 70, a home rule
5 unit shall not regulate the possession, carrying, or
6 transportation of firearms, their components or accessories,
7 or ammunition by a person licensed under this Act. A home rule
8 unit shall not require registration of firearms, regulate the
9 number of firearms, or make any other requirements or
10 regulations of a person licensed under this Act. This Section
11 is a limitation under subsection (i) of Section 6 of Article
12 VII of the Illinois Constitution on the exercise by home rule
13 units of powers and functions exercised by the State. Any unit
14 of local government that violates this Section shall be liable
15 for all costs, fees, and damages to anyone impacted by any rule
16 or ordinance.
11 (b) A municipality, county, or school district may prohibit
12 or limit licensees from carrying a firearm into or within any
13 building or portion of any building owned, leased, or
14 controlled by the municipality, county, or school district by a
15 majority vote of the members of its legislative body or
16 governing board. The resolution, ordinance, or policy shall not
17 prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed firearm into or
18 within any building used for public housing; into or within any
19 publicly-accessible restroom or rest stop; into, within, or on
20 any bridge, tunnel, overpass, underpass, elevated walkway, or
21 other structure used as a public right of way; or into or
22 within any publicly-accessible parking facility. The
23 resolution, ordinance, or policy shall not prohibit a licensee
24 from carrying a concealed firearm in a public transportation
25 facility or while accessing the services of a public
26 transportation agency, including while traveling via public
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1 transportation. For purposes of this Section, "public
2 transportation agency" means a public or private agency, or any
3 combination thereof, that provides for the transportation or
4 conveyance of persons by means available to the general public,
5 except taxicabs, livery cabs, or limousines. Violators of the
6 resolution or ordinance may be removed from the premises and
7 assessed a civil fine of up to $100.
And it is that "public transportation" clause that is causing some of the current trouble.
Both Shicago and St. Louis' "Metro" are adamantly against carry on their services. While I am (thankfully) unfamiliar with Shicago public transportation, undoubtedly there are areas (like through East St. Louis, IL) where it is "unwise" to go at the best of times. Missouri already has carry, but not St. Louis City as there is no statewide preemption (as I understand it).
rWhat kind of reciprocity (if any) was in the bill that got shot down?
Thank you.