OC Walmart

[DrTodd]

It would appear that An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws is part of the consideration.

This has had some discussion here before:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?97146-Open-carry-into-Meijer-Walmart

Still, I do not find where OC is illegal in an establishment that sells alcohol for only off site consumption. Guess we are going to need a cite that connects the dots.

Chapter 5, which covers off-premises sales, is covered from MCL 436.1501 to 436.1547. Therefore, since this falls under the parameters expressed in the general prohibition regarding possession of a pistol listed in "the establishment licensed under the Michigan Liquor Control Act..." citation above, possession of a pistol in or on the premises of ANY establishment that sells liquor for consumption on or off the premises would be illegal.... unless the person falls under one of the listed exceptions. A person who possess a CPL is listed as an exception.

 

[eye95]

Chapter 5, which covers off-premises sales, is covered from MCL 436.1501 to 436.1547. Therefore, since this falls under the parameters expressed in the general prohibition regarding possession of a pistol listed in "the establishment licensed under the Michigan Liquor Control Act..." citation above, possession of a pistol in or on the premises of ANY establishment that sells liquor for consumption on or off the premises would be illegal.... unless the person falls under one of the listed exceptions. A person who possess a CPL is listed as an exception.

Another exception is permission of the owner/agent.

 

[Big Gay Al]

Another exception is permission of the owner/agent.

Which is usually recommended you get in writing.

 

[Jack House]

I was unaware of a state law in any state that prevented this. Please cite.

Texas prohibits the unlicensed carrying of a firearm into any business that sells alcohol, regardless if it is for onsite or offsite consumption.

For those that don't know, long gun carry is mostly unregulated in Texas.


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[okiebryan]

Hello to everyone new member here. I am a manager at a Wal-Mart in Oklahoma, [snip] Yes, Wal-Mart's policy is to follow the state law[snip]

Just for legal reason:
None of the above comments are to reflect the views of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. These statements are of my own free will and soley the opinion of the author.

Can you help me with a problem I'm having here in OKC? Because of my work schedule, and because I don't dig big crowds, I often shop at night. The stores in OKC refuse to sell ammunition between 10PM and 7AM. Some try to tell me it's against some imaginary law, others that it's against walmart policy, both of which I know not to be true after checking on it.

There have been times where some ammo that is hard to get shows up and they won't sell it. If I come back the next day, it's already gone again.

Store managers and Assistants seem to come and go. Once I get one manager who will sell to me, he gets moved to another store. How is it that different managers are making their own policies, and does this jive with walmart's corporate policies?

Ant information you could offer would be appreciated.

 

[Big Gay Al]

Can you help me with a problem I'm having here in OKC? Because of my work schedule, and because I don't dig big crowds, I often shop at night. The stores in OKC refuse to sell ammunition between 10PM and 7AM. Some try to tell me it's against some imaginary law, others that it's against walmart policy, both of which I know not to be true after checking on it.

There have been times where some ammo that is hard to get shows up and they won't sell it. If I come back the next day, it's already gone again.

Store managers and Assistants seem to come and go. Once I get one manager who will sell to me, he gets moved to another store. How is it that different managers are making their own policies, and does this jive with walmart's corporate policies?

Ant information you could offer would be appreciated.

I don't know about Wal-Mart, but at Meijer's stores, their Sporting Goods Counter is closed at around 10PM, and they even have a sign posted to that effect. What it amounts to is, no one present has a key to the ammo shelf, which of course, is where the pistol ammo is located. So far as I know, if it's available to be grabbed off the shelf, you can take to the front checkout, anything else, you have to wait until that counter is "officially" open.

That's just my opinion, and I'm just the messenger, so don't shoot me.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Can you help me with a problem I'm having here in OKC? Because of my work schedule, and because I don't dig big crowds, I often shop at night. The stores in OKC refuse to sell ammunition between 10PM and 7AM. Some try to tell me it's against some imaginary law, others that it's against walmart policy, both of which I know not to be true after checking on it.

There have been times where some ammo that is hard to get shows up and they won't sell it. If I come back the next day, it's already gone again.

Store managers and Assistants seem to come and go. Once I get one manager who will sell to me, he gets moved to another store. How is it that different managers are making their own policies, and does this jive with walmart's corporate policies?

Ant information you could offer would be appreciated.

The FFL application has a section for business hours, and not all employees are allowed to sell firearms and ammo. During the night it is mostly a stock crew. Buy the ammo online and the seller will ship it to your door. Walmart will actually sell guns over the phone but the person who picks it up has to pass the instant check. I bought a rifle for my son in another state, all he had to do was fill out the paperwork when he picked it up. You can try the same with your walmart, place special order for the ammo you wish, and it will be there for you during the daytime.

 

[eye95]

The gun counter that I run has different hours from the rest of the store. We do that because we contend with legal and security crap that the rest of the store doesn't, and we need time to deal with it. Since all the ammo and a lot of the high-priced stuff are behind the counter (and since the ammo must be rung at the firearms counter, a store policy), none of that is available while the store is open, but the counter is closed. You may be facing a similar situation in Walmarts in OKC.

I don't know. Just a possibility being thrown out there.

 

[Big Gay Al]

The gun counter that I run has different hours from the rest of the store. We do that because we contend with legal and security crap that the rest of the store doesn't, and we need time to deal with it. Since all the ammo and a lot of the high-priced stuff are behind the counter (and since the ammo must be rung at the firearms counter, a store policy), none of that is available while the store is open, but the counter is closed. You may be facing a similar situation in Walmarts in OKC.

I don't know. Just a possibility being thrown out there.

Yeah, I forgot about that. Wal-Mart likes to run the magnetic strip on the back of your drivers license for ammo sales. I find it odd, since most other stores do not, including Meijer's.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Yeah, I forgot about that. Wal-Mart likes to run the magnetic strip on the back of your drivers license for ammo sales. I find it odd, since most other stores do not, including Meijer's.

They have never done that with me, but then it has been a few years since I bought ammo from them. I will buy shotgun shells from them, that is it. Usually they are more expensive than online, and mine for some reason does not carry soft lead ammo, or even alloy lead ammo.

 

[Big Gay Al]

They have never done that with me, but then it has been a few years since I bought ammo from them. I will buy shotgun shells from them, that is it. Usually they are more expensive than online, and mine for some reason does not carry soft lead ammo, or even alloy lead ammo.

It's been a couple of years since I got ammo from Wal-Mart. But that's what they did back then. As I recall, I was taking advantage of a sale they were having on Winchester white box 100 round packs of .45ACP. Since then, I've bought most of my ammo online. It's generally cheaper.

 

[WalkingWolf]

It's been a couple of years since I got ammo from Wal-Mart. But that's what they did back then. As I recall, I was taking advantage of a sale they were having on Winchester white box 100 round packs of .45ACP. Since then, I've bought most of my ammo online. It's generally cheaper.

It is amazing how times have changed, in the early eighties the company I bought ammo from would not sell without a FFL, but you could buy a handgun at the grocery store. :lol:

Ammo was the only reason I had a FFL back then, and I only kept it until those standards changed. But also back then getting a FFL was easy, and the BATFE rarely were up your hind end. Not so sure I would want a FFL these days.

 

[eye95]

Yeah, I forgot about that. Wal-Mart likes to run the magnetic strip on the back of your drivers license for ammo sales. I find it odd, since most other stores do not, including Meijer's.

Wow. News to me. It's been a few years since I bought ammo at Walmart, but if they tried that with me, they'd be hearing, "Whoa, whoa, whoa! Stop that! What are you doing? I am only required to prove my age to buy ammo. If my gray beard is not enough for you, you may check my birth date on my State-issued ID. If you require more, you can take that ammo and [edited to avoid vulgarity]."

 

[Redbaron007]

Yeah, I forgot about that. Wal-Mart likes to run the magnetic strip on the back of your drivers license for ammo sales. I find it odd, since most other stores do not, including Meijer's.

Maybe in Michigan...but not in my area. I purchased some ammo the other day from two different WM...never asked for ID, let alone scan my DL.

 

[eye95]

We ask for ID on every ammo purchase. Of course we are checking that the purchaser is an authorized Exchange patron. But I always take the opportunity to look at the birth date as long as I already have the ID in my hand.

 

[Redbaron007]

We ask for ID on every ammo purchase. Of course we are checking that the purchaser is an authorized Exchange patron. But I always take the opportunity to look at the birth date as long as I already have the ID in my hand.

Just a tad bit different!

A LGS used to check all ID to verify ages when ammo is purchased, regardless. Don't know if they still do it or not; haven't been in it in several years; prices are just not comparable for the exact same item.

 

[Jack House]

Any cashier (at Walmart) that swipes your ID through the card reader is just doing so because they're too lazy to key your DOB in.

Ammo can be sold at any register in the store providing there are no legal restrictions. However, you must be escorted by an employee until you purchase the ammo. This is the same for all products locked up.

Ammo can be sold at any time during normal store hours. If you are told no, then odds are that someone somewhere has decided that they'd rather send you packing than waste time unlocking the cages. Remember that they have work to do, are most likely understaffed and must definitely overworked.

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[Redbaron007]

Any cashier (at Walmart) that swipes your ID through the card reader is just doing so because they're too lazy to key your DOB in.

Ammo can be sold at any register in the store providing there are no legal restrictions. However, you must be escorted by an employee until you purchase the ammo. This is the same for all products locked up.

Ammo can be sold at any time during normal store hours. If you are told no, then odds are that someone somewhere has decided that they'd rather send you packing than waste time unlocking the cages. Remember that they have work to do, are most likely understaffed and must definitely overworked.

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Is this new? I haven't purchased ammo in a while that I carried around the store (maybe 6 mos ago); and this was not done. IIRC, when I purchased two boxes of Federal 9mm/100, I placed it in my basket (hand carried basket) and then paid for it at the electronics register.

 

[eye95]

It's been a while since I've purchased ammo at a Walmart. Things weren't the way JH describes.

I have to wonder if these procedures vary from State to State and from store to store. The last place I purchased ammo from (other than the Exchange) was from Academy Sports in Montgomery AL. There I grabbed the boxes from shelf, carried them to a register, paid for them, and carried them out, much like I would have a gallon of milk from Winn Dixie.

 

[Jack House]

It's corporate policy and has been for years. It has nothing to do with ammo, but that locked products are locked because they are high risk items in terms of theft/liability or because law demands it. These products are not supposed to be given to the customer until they pay for it.

Your experience will vary by store and by employee. Some will play policy police, some won't care at all about policy and then some will follow and break policy on a whim, sometimes arbitrarily sometimes for good reasons.

Example, there are those that, if they know you well enough, they will happily violate some minor policies to help you out. Such as handing you that box of 9, rather than escorting you.

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