countryclubjoe
Regular Member
Hi Folks
Please assist me in wrestling with what the words, term, WE, the people, really meant in 18th century America..
WE, in 18th century America, clearly did not represent, folks of color, white folks that were not land owners, and indeed, surely Woman.. Therefore pre 1920, before woman were granted the privilege to vote, WE, the people, was at worst a document of fraud, an at the very least a document full of ambiguities. .. Were folks of color and woman not considered significant citizens or relevant in 18th century America?., Were our great founders, the best and the brightest, of their time, bigots, possibly racist, misogynist, petty tyrants? Did our great document of 1787, defy the Natural laws of our Creator, a Creator, who, was referenced in the DOI, to wit," that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator.
i simply have a problem, in attempting to interpret the meaning of a text that was instituted by men, who, clearly all evidences (history) shows were in fact, bigots, possibly racist, misogynist, petty tyrants.
Bear in mind only three Fathers, Thomas Paine, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams, did not own slaves.. While a few of our revered hero's, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, were in fact owners of many slaves..
Hence, not until the reconstruction amendments, ( 13th, 14th and 15th) between 1865 and 1870, did, We, the people start to mean, We, the people.. And finally in 1920 when the 19th Amendment was ratified and woman, were allow to vote for their leaders, did, WE, the people, actually really mean, WE THE PEOPLE.
Therefore, attempting to interpret the Supreme law of the law, and the terse text thereof pre 1920 is an exercise in futility... Just like the founders could not envision an America where blacks and woman could vote and bear arms, we are not at liberty to understand the mind set of an America, where blacks and woman were sub-citzens not possessing all the Constitutional rights afforded to other citizens. Again, this is my humble opinion, and I welcome all other opinions and civil discourse on the subject.
My .02
I look forward to all thoughts and opinions.
Regards
CCJ
Please assist me in wrestling with what the words, term, WE, the people, really meant in 18th century America..
WE, in 18th century America, clearly did not represent, folks of color, white folks that were not land owners, and indeed, surely Woman.. Therefore pre 1920, before woman were granted the privilege to vote, WE, the people, was at worst a document of fraud, an at the very least a document full of ambiguities. .. Were folks of color and woman not considered significant citizens or relevant in 18th century America?., Were our great founders, the best and the brightest, of their time, bigots, possibly racist, misogynist, petty tyrants? Did our great document of 1787, defy the Natural laws of our Creator, a Creator, who, was referenced in the DOI, to wit," that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator.
i simply have a problem, in attempting to interpret the meaning of a text that was instituted by men, who, clearly all evidences (history) shows were in fact, bigots, possibly racist, misogynist, petty tyrants.
Bear in mind only three Fathers, Thomas Paine, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams, did not own slaves.. While a few of our revered hero's, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, were in fact owners of many slaves..
Hence, not until the reconstruction amendments, ( 13th, 14th and 15th) between 1865 and 1870, did, We, the people start to mean, We, the people.. And finally in 1920 when the 19th Amendment was ratified and woman, were allow to vote for their leaders, did, WE, the people, actually really mean, WE THE PEOPLE.
Therefore, attempting to interpret the Supreme law of the law, and the terse text thereof pre 1920 is an exercise in futility... Just like the founders could not envision an America where blacks and woman could vote and bear arms, we are not at liberty to understand the mind set of an America, where blacks and woman were sub-citzens not possessing all the Constitutional rights afforded to other citizens. Again, this is my humble opinion, and I welcome all other opinions and civil discourse on the subject.
My .02
I look forward to all thoughts and opinions.
Regards
CCJ