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Here is the email that I sent:
I was just curious as to a couple of things your website states. There is no proficiency requirement in the Utah Code. There is a weapons familiarity requirement, but not proficiency. Also, what is the difference in your CFP courses? One is $50 and 4 hours, and one is $75 and 8 hours. It says the $75 course you need gun, ammo and holster, so I'm guessing there is shooting involved. What is learned in this course? Also I know that Open Carrying a firearm is legal. Do you teach otherwise? Also, carrying a loaded firearm while either Concealing, or Open Carrying is legal. What do you teach about that?
Thanks for the info.
Mqondo
Here is his response:
Mqondo, Sorry about the misleading(s) on the web site, I paid a good amount of money for it and some of the items got all switched around. And I have been having lots of problems getting them corrected.
The 4 hr course is the Standard Utah CFP curriculum course. And is $50.00 if you pre-register.
The $75.00 course was the Standard 4hr Curriculum and an additional 4hrs of range time. After the class if you showed sufficient “Proficiency” with the course I handed out a NRA skills certificate, based on the level of your shooting proficiency. However I no longer teach firearms course, because I have signed a none-compete contract with Front Sight Training Institute. As I am starting as a line coach for them, in February. I am in the process of revising the web site sorry for that.
Utah has no Law on its books that prohibit the open carry of a firearm, loaded or unloaded. A lot of debate has gone on about the “loaded” option of this part. Getting your Concealed Weapons permit gives you the right to conceal the firearm, which there are laws on the books prohibiting the concealed carry of dangerous weapon(s).
I do caution students to open carry cautiously. Some cities in this state and others have arrested open carry individuals on the grounds that it created a public disturbance, or Disturbing the peace, and the fact that a lot of Law enforcement officers do not understand these laws, only go to confuse the issue more. To save yourself a lot of head ache I advise to use caution.
In 2009 Utah passed two favorable gun laws that I believe will further help clarify some of these issues.
House Bill 357: Allows a law-abiding citizen to choose how they carry a handgun for self-defense ( open, concealed, unloaded or loaded) in a vehicle without the need to obtain a permit.
S.B. 78: Makes it legal for people to have firearms stored in their locked vehicle parked on “private Property”.
To me it is sad that we have to even clarify laws that go against our 2[sup]nd[/sup] amendment rights in the first place, but I am happy to see that Utah is trying hard to protect our rights.
House Bill 357, sponsored by State Representative Steve Sandstrom (R-58), would make it easier for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves without the need to obtain a concealed weapon permit. HB 357 does the following:
• It fixes the clearly unintended aspect of existing law that makes it illegal to carry a concealed firearm in or on a person’s property or a business under the person’s control without a concealed weapon permit.
• It would clarify and simplify the currently vague and inconsistent law by allowing law-abiding citizens to choose how they carry a firearm (open, concealed, unloaded or loaded) in a vehicle without the need to obtain a permit.
Fifteen states, including Arizona, Colorado, Montana, and Nevada allow the carrying of concealed, loaded firearms for self-protection in vehicles without a concealed weapon permit. An additional nine states, including Idaho and Wyoming, allow loaded firearms to be carried openly for self-protection in vehicles.
It is my hope that Utah can clarify (if only for law enforcement officers) the vagueness between concealed carry and open carry, so some of these municipalities don’t see holes where they can violate individual rights.
It sounds like you already have a lot more knowledge about this than most. I am not a lawyer and encourage all my students who ask, to pick up a book by Mitch Vilos - Utah Gun Laws. He is a lawyer here in Utah and a Utah CFP instructor.
If you are interested in a class I do have a class coming up on this Saturday at the American Fork CAL Ranch store from 10am-2pm I have offered individuals who are trying to decide between open carry and concealed to sit in an audit the class, then if they want the permit we can fill out the paper work etc. after the class.
If you have any other question please feel free to email me some more or give me a call
801-885-6519
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Chad