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eye95

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Fellow Ohioans on OCDO, what affiliations do you have with firearms groups in Ohio? Buckeye Firearms, Ohioans for Concealed Carry, Ohio Open Carry, Ohio Carry, Ohio Gun Owners, or some other group?

I hope to support events sponsored by some of these groups and am trying to make or reestablish connections.

Thanks in advance.
 

color of law

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Fellow Ohioans on OCDO, what affiliations do you have with firearms groups in Ohio? Buckeye Firearms, Ohioans for Concealed Carry, Ohio Open Carry, Ohio Carry, Ohio Gun Owners, or some other group?

I hope to support events sponsored by some of these groups and am trying to make or reestablish connections.

Thanks in advance.
So, what groups won't you support? We know you took or have taken a hard line on a number forums to the point of being banned, right, wrong or indifferent. You have not posted here for a very, very long time.

Ohio Gun Owners is pretty hard line. BFA and OFCC lack consistency, are thin skinned and can't tolerate criticism.

Why do you ask?
 

solus

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So, what groups won't you support? We know you took or have taken a hard line on a number forums to the point of being banned, right, wrong or indifferent. You have not posted here for a very, very long time.

Ohio Gun Owners is pretty hard line. BFA and OFCC lack consistency, are thin skinned and can't tolerate criticism.

Why do you ask?
2014, https://forum.opencarry.org/index.php?threads/tick-tick-tick.119870/

how did grape word the final post in thread before the moderator locked it? .oh ya..

quote:
Persistent rule violations do attract attention and editing/deletions/infractions. Yet some will proceed having been forewarned - someone called that suicide by Moderator - unfortunate and does not have to be that way. unquote.

while four years is a long memory stretch...wasn't the nefarious & infamous EYE95 banned shortly after this post??
 

eye95

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Again, thanks in advance for any on-topic replies.

I hope to be able to support some events sponsored by Ohio groups promoting the RKBA.
 

color of law

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Again, thanks in advance for any on-topic replies.

I hope to be able to support some events sponsored by Ohio groups promoting the RKBA.
I would never belong to an origination that would have me as a member.
Now that I answered your question, how about you define your term "hope to support"? What does that mean? How do you intend to "support"? Inquiring minds want to know.......
 

RT48

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RT48

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What is your point? And, what does it matter?
You have an "organization", that as far as I can determine, consists of one guy with a web site collecting money from the general public. He has at least actually done some lobbying and testifying in committee hearings but how effective can a one man organization be? That's my point.

We had four existing gun groups before he showed up and now Ohio has five. The fragmentation of the Ohio gun rights movement is one of my pet peeves.
 

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RT48, the irony is that that is the nature of the Liberty beast: We tend to eschew centrally controlled, top-down structures. The downside is that organizing Liberty-minded folks is a bit like herding cats.

The left has an advantage in this regard. They love central control and rigid organization. This helps them in the ranking-and-filing of their unthinking robots.

The genius of our Framers was in noticing that preserving Liberty required that they put checks on central control. They didn’t try to get the States to give up their identities to become part of some collective. Individuals remained sovereign, ceding some of their absolute freedom to local and State governments in order for those governments to preserve essential Liberty. The States then ceded some of their authorities to a national government, maintaining their sovereignty, to strengthen the protections for Liberty. Federalism was born.

The further we have strayed from this model, the more we have centralized power the more we have weakened individual Liberty.

Liberty-minded groups would do well to try to apply a similar model to the one the Framers invented. We have many groups, each with slightly different priorities, objectives, and methods, but with the same goal: preserving Liberty. We should not try to fold them into a single group. Instead, we should look to improving coordination, to increasing cooperation, possibly even confederating them.

My objective in creating this thread was to help me personally network with the various groups and individuals, to allow me to augment their efforts.

Your posts make it sound like you too are interested the varied groups moving in a more unified way. Thanks for joining the thread.
 

solus

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Forgive the observation from afar, but RT48, et al., instead of critizing, let me simply ask what have you done to analyze strengths/weaknesses as well as identify which advocate banner waveers have done the mostest toward advancing the cause(s) YOU feel is the best to push forward and affiliate yourself to their causes.

For example, I have personally met/know several Ohioans who, w/o website or formal ‘group’ associates per se., have pushed their personal cause’s projects throughout the state and met with great success ~ KUDOs to them.

Further example, in NC our only grassroots group president has publicly stated on this forum quote GRNC is for North Carolina concealed handgun permit-holders -- certified sane, sober and law abiding unquote
[https://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?108024-Gold-Carry-State/page5 ] and this ‘advocacy group’ in my opinion, lacks clear objectives and is inefficient due to priorities being set in closed sessions and where members ‘dues’ are collected and dispersed w/o accountability.

Oh BTW, SC doesn’t have a viable grassroots advocacy group.

You yourself stated the singular individual has met with Ohio’s legislators so is at least having an impact!

Have you tried to unify these divese groups within the Buckeye state?
 

color of law

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You have an "organization", that as far as I can determine, consists of one guy with a web site collecting money from the general public. He has at least actually done some lobbying and testifying in committee hearings but how effective can a one man organization be? That's my point.

We had four existing gun groups before he showed up and now Ohio has five. The fragmentation of the Ohio gun rights movement is one of my pet peeves.
You have been complaining (not necessarily in a negative way) about BFA and OFCC.
https://forum.opencarry.org/index.php?threads/ohioians-for-concealed-carry-article-on-interaction-with-law-enforcement.107094/page-4#post-1834276
The grass roots have/has complained about both organizations not having the grass roots best interests at heart. Have they moved to ball forward, yes they have. But, moving the ball forward, at times, has been at the expense of other very important measures that actually benefit the rank and file gun community. Remember, if conceal carry (constitutional carry being passed) goes away, BFA and OFCC relevance would be greatly diminished.

Ohio Gun Owners is a hard nose organization. Being a one person show or not, the organization has a following and persons that are involved behind the scene. Ohio Gun Owners is filling a void that other organizations refuse to fill. The other organizations constantly compromise our rights away. That is why Ohio Gun Owners came onto the scene.

I'm just say'n.
 
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RT48

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For example, I have personally met/know several Ohioans who, w/o website or formal ‘group’ associates per se., have pushed their personal cause’s projects throughout the state and met with great success ~ KUDOs to them.
I hadn't thought about it before but that is true. BB62 with his open carry walks is a good example of that.

Have you tried to unify these divese groups within the Buckeye state?
There are some serious personalty clashes between BFA and OFCC going back years although things have gotten a bit better in the last year or so. The group founding BFA used to be part of OFCC. After the split OFCC actually filed a lawsuit against the founders of BFA.

Things have gotten better lately with BFA and OFCC jointly suing Columbus and Cincinnati over those cities violating state preemption.

I view BFA as the "great compromisers" and OGO as the "no compromiser' with OFCC falling somewhere in the middle. As for Ohio Carry and the Ohio Rifle & Pistol Association, if they are doing anything in Columbus they are keeping it one heck of a secret.
 

color of law

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For example, I have personally met/know several Ohioans who, w/o website or formal ‘group’ associates per se., have pushed their personal cause’s projects throughout the state and met with great success ~ KUDOs to them.
I hadn't thought about it before but that is true. BB62 with his open carry walks is a good example of that.
Do you really think that BB62 organized all those walks without others behind the scene helping and advising/collaborating him so that the walks go off without a hitch? For a fact he is not a one man show. Usually, the appearance of a one man show is that it is never a one man show. I speak from knowledge.

That is not to say that there are not a number of infractions by cities, town and townships that were resolved by one or two phone calls by one individual. I have had many "No Guns" signs removed with just a couple of phone calls. And, there are others I know of that have accomplished the same forced government compliance.

Just say'n.
 

OC for ME

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South Cackalacky is infested with FUDDs. I am vastly out numbered with them in my own family. The Honorable Guv is a cousin and he ain't no friend of OC as we go about our daily activities. Would he sign OC legislation, even if by government permission (Texas)? Probably. Until he gets legislation on his desk we will not know. The trick is getting legislation on his desk...please see my FUDDs reference.

SC don't have a gun rights org cuz "we" is too busy supporting the CC Industrial Complex in SC.
 

solus

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Do you really think that BB62 organized all those walks without others behind the scene helping and advising/collaborating him so that the walks go off without a hitch? For a fact he is not a one man show. Usually, the appearance of a one man show is that it is never a one man show. I speak from knowledge.

That is not to say that there are not a number of infractions by cities, town and townships that were resolved by one or two phone calls by one individual. I have had many "No Guns" signs removed with just a couple of phone calls. And, there are others I know of that have accomplished the same forced government compliance.

Just say'n.
snipppp...

For example, I have personally met/know several Ohioans who, w/o website or formal ‘group’ associates per se., have pushed their personal cause’s projects throughout the state and met with great success ~ KUDOs to them.

Snipppp...
So CoL you are telling this forum’s august membership that BB62 or yourself have “formal” entities where either of you have a consistent & updated presence on the internet where you advertise your individual “organizational mission statement(s)” and have ‘formal’ diverse individuals, e.g., membership, established Robert’s rules, promote annual/five year goals, per se., all who pay $$$$ to the organization to support BB62 and your activities all so the membership can actively support the “organizational mission”?

REALLY, and absolutely nothing as been mentioned by yourself or BB62 over the years on this forum’s platform about any type these formal advocate membership organizational enities being overseen by either of you!

So when you personally inject or insert yourself to ad hoc advocate, you are now insinuating there is a formal organizational enity behind your activities such as other members consistently mention, e.g., of “I i did this or that under xyz organizational entity and such and such was the result!”
 

color of law

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So CoL you are telling this forum’s august membership that BB62 or yourself have “formal” entities where either of you have a consistent & updated presence on the internet where you advertise your individual “organizational mission statement(s)” and have ‘formal’ diverse individuals, e.g., membership, established Robert’s rules, promote annual/five year goals, per se., all who pay $$$$ to the organization to support BB62 and your activities all so the membership can actively support the “organizational mission”?

REALLY, and absolutely nothing as been mentioned by yourself or BB62 over the years on this forum’s platform about any type these formal advocate membership organizational enities being overseen by either of you!

So when you personally inject or insert yourself to ad hoc advocate, you are now insinuating there is a formal organizational enity behind your activities such as other members consistently mention, e.g., of “I i did this or that under xyz organizational entity and such and such was the result!”
At no time have I personally ever had a website promoting any type of gun activism, or even a Facebook page. And, I have never been paid one dollar for my brains relating to gun issues or for my male beauty and sharp wit. BB62 will have to speak for himself.
 

solus

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At no time have I personally ever had a website promoting any type of gun activism, or even a Facebook page. And, I have never been paid one dollar for my brains relating to gun issues or for my male beauty and sharp wit. BB62 will have to speak for himself.
That wasn’t you working the ‘pole’ or ‘cage at the strip club couple months ago? :eek:

[a visual i truly regret implanting in everyone’s mind] :devilish:

ROFLMAO
 
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