autosurgeon
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Yep he is a nut and imop an agent provocateur.
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Hellooooooooo? Rebel.
Once again I will posit that rights are expanded by lawbreakers. Whether it be armed resistance, peaceful protest, or criminals challenging laws in open court.
Rights are not generally advanced by other means. There are of course, exceptions. AZCDL does a good job here in Arizona through lobbying.
The Associated Press is protesting what it calls a massive and unprecedented intrusion into its gathering of news. The target of that wrath is the U.S. Justice Department, which secretly collected phone records for several AP reporters last year. The AP says it's caught in the middle of a Justice Department leak investigation.
[h=5]Adam Kokesh is NOT our leader.
Adam Kokesh has presented and organized an opportunity for individuals to become a part of, that's it! WE as a group make this an historic event, not him or ANY other individual.
Please stop referring to him as the leader, his is not!! Whether we show up in support of this event or not is an individual decision. So, all of those individuals you see preparing to cross the bridge are there speaking on their own behalf.
If you are the type of person who needs a leader in YOUR life then fine, LAW ABIDING gun owners by their very nature assume responsibility for themselves.
Collectively we are Americans who help define the United States.[/h]
SNIP
NEXT POINT (and the one I can not imagine why it hasn't been brought up previously)
What if the entire purpose Kokesh has in mind is simply a feint? Someone previously mentioned Sun Tzu and a feint like I am thinking would be classic Sun Tzu, and there is a good chance that Kokesh has read Sun Tzu as it is highly touted reading in all branches (at least when I was in).
(imagine Sun Tzu if you are familiar with the book).......Imagine, no matter how good their intel, the powers that be can not ignore the possibility that Kokesh won't stroll into the District with however many real (and perhaps imaginary) "soldiers" he has amassed. In order to deal with that possibility, they must position resources and prepare for the "threat". So Kokesh goes all the way to the wire, the morning of the 4th, and then announces that the mission has been accomplished because the "enemy" has expended how many thousands of dollars in manpower and equipment to prepare for a threat that never materializes at their border but only "just beyond and out of their reach".
I grant that this would likely cause some very pissed off people, particularly those having travelled long distances, for Kokesh to deal with but perhaps he has a plan for that.
I don't think this scenario likely but it would be a classic deception.
Just my thoughts. I have many more on the subject but this post is long enough already.
So Kokesh the anarchist is organizing the event......reminds me of a quote from a Seattle protest. A member of an anarchist group protesting the WTO stated (paraphrased from memory) "the superior organization of the Anarchy movement will outmaneuver the opposition". Hmmmm isn't that a little oxymoronic?
All who attend this march armed will be asked to stand and move in a military formation in order to maintain unity and safety. You will be expected to be dressed professionally, and there will be an inspection. As organizer, AVTM reserves the right to reject anyone from the formation at any time for any reason. There will be no use of recording devices by anyone once they have joined the ranks. If you'd like to film or photograph, please do so from outside the formation so there is no potential for confusion with hand motions. If you are not ACTIVE law enforcement, you will be asked to leave if you have any firearms other than a single rifle or shotgun slung across your back with the muzzle pointed down. Aside from adjusting the sling, you will not touch your weapon at any time during this event.
So Kokesh the anarchist is organizing the event......reminds me of a quote from a Seattle protest. A member of an anarchist group protesting the WTO stated (paraphrased from memory) "the superior organization of the Anarchy movement will outmaneuver the opposition". Hmmmm isn't that a little oxymoronic?
Friday through Sunday. ~1000 miles, two and a half tanks of gas, two nights stay in a hotel = ~$1,000 with incidentals. A small price to pay for liberty.....no?Fight for your rights, people need to understand you have to make a stand. We keep marking a line in the sand and say if you cross this line....now cross this line....now cross this line. People who are against this, would agree MLK, Gandhi, and Malcom X and so on were wrong in standing up against oppression? It seems those of us in the "gun rights" movement are simply blowhards. People are not even willing to sacrifice elementary arrests let alone death. Freedom is not free. Either stand up for your rights or step aside.
<snip> You are showing a base misunderstanding of Voluntaryism. It's not "volunteerism". <snip>
^^nutjobs^^Statement of Purpose: Voluntaryists are advocates of non-political, non-violent strategies to achieve a free society. We reject electoral politics, in theory and in practice, as incompatible with libertarian principles. Governments must cloak their actions in an aura of moral legitimacy in order to sustain their power, and political methods invariably strengthen that legitimacy. Voluntaryists seek instead to delegitimize the State through education, and we advocate withdrawal of the cooperation and tacit consent on which State power ultimately depends.
http://www.voluntaryist.com/fundamentals/introduction.html
Range wars, water wars, back in the day. I contend that the "wild west" was about as close as we got to that anachro-capitalist crap.Social leadership doesn't necessarily equate to "ruler".
Rules can also be enforced by social ostracism. <snip>
Right now, despite any stated position, it sure looks to me like OCDO is de facto supporting this march.
Finally, back on topic:
I got up off my sofa to type this post. Kokesh will do more harm than good to our efforts to restore our liberties that are enumerated in our Founding Documents. The cause of liberty will be ill served by this show of force, this is a reality. I will pray for a non-violent event.
OCDO has permitted this discussion to continue. I am disappointed.
Iran believes that the perception of security in America that has helped empower its actions in the Middle East must be turned 180 degrees, not only to defeat and derail all U.S. calculations based on gathered intelligence but to destabilize the political, economic and social conditions in America, the source said.
Based on that understanding, he said, the U.S. through its military might has kept the fight in the Islamic region and away from its homeland and its allies’ turf. Now continuous operations must be conducted in the U.S. homeland to change that equation, they believe.
More than 2,600 targets, including public places, government buildings and military installations, have been chosen for attack, and reconnaissance has been done. Information about some of the targets, based on direct knowledge of the source, has been given to U.S. officials to neutralize the threat and confront the terrorists. They include specific government buildings, news networks, malls and sports events.
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§ 18.2-287.4. Carrying loaded firearms in public areas prohibited; penalty.
It shall be unlawful for any person to carry a loaded (a) semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock or (b) shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered on or about his person on any public street, road, alley, sidewalk, public right-of-way, or in any public park or any other place of whatever nature that is open to the public in the Cities of Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Falls Church, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, or Virginia Beach or in the Counties of Arlington, Fairfax, Henrico, Loudoun, or Prince William.
The provisions of this section shall not apply to law-enforcement officers, licensed security guards, military personnel in the performance of their lawful duties, or any person having a valid concealed handgun permit or to any person actually engaged in lawful hunting or lawful recreational shooting activities at an established shooting range or shooting contest. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
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John