OPEN CARRY COURT CASE, IWB concealed?

[Michigander]

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dougwg wrote:

and what about the shaky part?

I'm not saying this applies to you, because I can get the same way with lots of caffeine, but I think it's pretty safe to say that the very nature of police interactions gets more timid people to start shaking in fear, despite being law abiding. The very idea that it constitutes PC is absurd and baseless. I would say he'd probably be committing perjury if he told a judge that the majority of people that he's stopped that were shaking were legitimately criminals.

Please, please, please take them to task. They've earned it.

The bottom line is that if you want them to get investigated, you have to file a report. Having made this happen more than once, I can assure you it's a worthwhile and rewarding thing to do. Even if it gets swept under the rug, it will make the officers more careful in the future, and arguably restore some of the dignity they took from all of us. Totally worth doing, regardless of the outcome.

 

[ghostrider]

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Let me get this straight.

He claims his RS for running a search and detaining you is, “Way reacting, shivering and not wanting to get information.” shaking brought on by nervousness is common when dealing with authority figures who are obviously trying to find something to arrest you for. Then, he claims that he runs “everybody”.

Hmmm.

 

[autosurgeon]

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Bogus PC he is reaching!!

 

[ghostrider]

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autosurgeon wrote:

Bogus PC he is reaching!!

Yep, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he knew that there was no PPO on dougwg. He was too quick to drop it when dougwg perused it. He claimed the mixup was from same last names. What, he couldn't check the first name, or the DL number or address. Yeah, right.

 

[dougwg]

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um... just for a little more info...

I took 4 Excedrin Extra Strength AND had my morning coffee which is 4 cups and I don't like weak coffee

I really wasn't nervous at all.

 

[autosurgeon]

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Dude no wonder you were shaking! I have to be very careful of that type of stuff before a pistol match as I score 20% 30% less overall when I have caffeine in my system!

 

[Venator]

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dougwg wrote:

and what about the shaky part?

What,every person with cerebral palsy getstheir ID run? I think not.

 

[DrTodd]

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LEIN and Criminal History Records - Inappropriate Access


To report inappropriate access to the Michigan State Police for LEIN & CHR record information, write, fax, or e-mail:
Capt. Charles Bush, Commander
Criminal Records Division
106 W. Allegan
Lansing, MI 48933
bushce@michigan.gov
Fax: 517-636-4546
The following information is needed to investigate the inappropriate access (some of this information may be unknown):

What record was accessed? Include the name, date of birth, driver license number, license plate number and details surrounding the potential misuse.

Why do you believe the information was obtained inappropriately?

When did the access in question take place (get as close to the day and time as possible - within a week or two is best)?

Where the access occurred (which State Police post, sheriff department, police department, court, etc.).

Who accessed the record?

Telephone number where you can be reached, if we have any questions.

Upon receipt of the request to investigate a potential LEIN violation, the LEIN traffic will be reviewed and a determination made as to whether or not there is a need for further investigation. The investigation will take 60 - 90 days under normal circumstances. Upon closure of the case the person/agency reporting the possible LEIN violation will be notified in writing as to whether or not the case was founded or unfounded.

 

[autosurgeon]

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If it was me I would use the info Dr. Todd provided and file a complaint!

 

[dougwg]

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Now thats useful !

Oh, I will be, I will be.

 

[autosurgeon]

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Good man!!!

 

[saltydog03]

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New to the site. Was browsing for rules of carry in different states and came upon this site. Could you tell me what is the difference between CCW & CPL ? Thanks ?

 

[ghostrider]

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saltydog03 wrote:

New to the site. Was browsing for rules of carry in different states and came upon this site. Could you tell me what is the difference between CCW & CPL ? Thanks ?

First,

We like to have people list their location in there control panel so that we know the number of members in our state. So, if you could do that we would greatly appreciate it.

Second (on to you question).

CCW= Carrying a Concealed Weapon. It is a five year felony here in Michigan.

CPL= Concealed Pistol License. Only allows carrying a concealed pistol, and no other concealed weapons.

ETA:

OBTW, Welcome to the forum.

 

[ijusam]

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dougwg wrote:

Handed in the gun today...

My nephew was,I feel, railroaded by the Plymoth/Canton court and by Wayne county procecutors office for lawfully carry a sidearm. Faced with a felony he took the plea bargain and had to hand in the gun for destruction. Because he, being on probation now, can't be in the possession of a firearm and I can, I met him at the Canton, MI Police station to turn it in and the desk officer felt the need to give me a hard time.

He said that I had a PPO against me which isn't true at all. I not only have no PPO's, wants or warrants but I'm also a Michigan Concealed Pistol License holder. This officer tried to intimidate me by accusing me of being in possession of a firearm when I have a PPO against me.

This is a liiiii...this is untrue. He then goes on to tell me both his father and brother both have CCW's which in Michigan is a 5 year felony. I think the ill informed officer is simply ignorant of the fact that Michigan changed the concealed pistol license terminology from CCW to CPL. I wish police officers would at least TRY to stay current with changes in the law, after all it's their job isn't it?

And please remember, "Don't talk to the police!" it's not only great advice but also your RIGHT to not answer any questions that you don't want to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca3QT1Oq1SE

You should have stripped it down to the bare frame and just handed in the frame. It would have complied with the court order and you could have recouped some of your loss on the spare parts. Probably would have irked them some too

 

[Venator]

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ijusam wrote:

dougwg wrote:

Handed in the gun today...

My nephew was,I feel, railroaded by the Plymoth/Canton court and by Wayne county procecutors office for lawfully carry a sidearm. Faced with a felony he took the plea bargain and had to hand in the gun for destruction. Because he, being on probation now, can't be in the possession of a firearm and I can, I met him at the Canton, MI Police station to turn it in and the desk officer felt the need to give me a hard time.

He said that I had a PPO against me which isn't true at all. I not only have no PPO's, wants or warrants but I'm also a Michigan Concealed Pistol License holder. This officer tried to intimidate me by accusing me of being in possession of a firearm when I have a PPO against me.

This is a liiiii...this is untrue. He then goes on to tell me both his father and brother both have CCW's which in Michigan is a 5 year felony. I think the ill informed officer is simply ignorant of the fact that Michigan changed the concealed pistol license terminology from CCW to CPL. I wish police officers would at least TRY to stay current with changes in the law, after all it's their job isn't it?

And please remember, "Don't talk to the police!" it's not only great advice but also your RIGHT to not answer any questions that you don't want to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca3QT1Oq1SE

You should have stripped it down to the bare frame and just handed in the frame. It would have complied with the court order and you could have recouped some of your loss on the spare parts. Probably would have irked them some too

That's what he did, turned in just the frame.

 

[dougwg]

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Yep, just the frame...

 

[autosurgeon]

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Maybe this has been answered elsewhere but what kind of gun was it?

 

[saltydog03]

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Thanks

I do have CCW at this time. Residence is Alpena, Mi.
Checked my license and it is a CPL

 

[mikestilly]

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Question. For those of us who came in late to viewing this thread what exactly took place. It looks like the whole story was edited out. What is this all about?

 

[Bronson]

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ghostrider wrote:

saltydog03 wrote:

New to the site. Was browsing for rules of carry in different states and came upon this site. Could you tell me what is the difference between CCW & CPL ? Thanks ?

First,

We like to have people list their location in there control panel so that we know the number of members in our state. So, if you could do that we would greatly appreciate it.

Second (on to you question).

CCW= Carrying a Concealed Weapon. It is a five year felony here in Michigan.

CPL= Concealed Pistol License. Only allows carrying a concealed pistol, and no other concealed weapons.

ETA:

OBTW, Welcome to the forum.

Back before Michigan was "shall issue" wasn't the concealed carry license called a CCW? I'm sure this just adds to the confusion as many people are accustomed to the older, now incorrect, name.

Bronson