MSC 45ACP
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Pagan wrote:
Pagan wrote:
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"Secrets" - Cypress Point
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vtme_grad98
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MSC 45ACP wrote:
MSC 45ACP wrote:
+2. I don't drink while I OC. But, like anything else I do, I don't have some expectation that everyone else behave in the exact same way that I do.
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wylde007 wrote:
We've been over this before.
My position hasn't changed but then I don't have more than a few glasses of wine a year .
I consider No drinking with a gun a golden rule!
BUT....unlike Novacop, I don't stick my nose where it doesn't belong.
If you want to drink, don't hunt around me but what everyone does in town is their own business.
So everyone take responsibility for your own actions and leave others alone.
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wylde007 wrote:
45acpForMe wrote:That is all we in the South have ever asked from anyone.
We've been over this before.
My position hasn't changed but then I don't have more than a few glasses of wine a year .
I consider No drinking with a gun a golden rule!
BUT....unlike Novacop, I don't stick my nose where it doesn't belong.
If you want to drink, don't hunt around me but what everyone does in town is their own business.
So everyone take responsibility for your own actions and leave others alone.
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wylde007
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peter nap wrote:
peter nap wrote:
What, like all at once?
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wylde007 wrote:
Now, one puts me to sleep.:X
One thing about carrying is that most people are more tolerant when they have a gun.
If I were in a bar (assuming there were one in Virginia) and someone confronted me while I was carrying, I'd ignore him. If someone confronted me and I wasn't carrying...I'd knock him on his ass. That's assuming he didn't identify himself as a police officer. Then I'd wonder why he was in a bar:uhoh:
wylde007 wrote:
Getting old sucks. Once upon a time, the wimmin started looking better at about 5 drinks.peter nap wrote:What, like all at once?
Now, one puts me to sleep.:X
One thing about carrying is that most people are more tolerant when they have a gun.
If I were in a bar (assuming there were one in Virginia) and someone confronted me while I was carrying, I'd ignore him. If someone confronted me and I wasn't carrying...I'd knock him on his ass. That's assuming he didn't identify himself as a police officer. Then I'd wonder why he was in a bar:uhoh:
pyite
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I had a beer with dinner while CC in a restaurant in Pennsylvania.
I could barely restrain myself from shooting up the place.
Luckily I resisted the urge.
I had a beer with dinner while CC in a restaurant in Pennsylvania.
I could barely restrain myself from shooting up the place.
Luckily I resisted the urge.
wylde007
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peter nap wrote:
If he was in uniform it may just be a courtesy stop. Some officers I've seen come in just to give the management the impression that they are out and about and "looking out for them". I think it also lets the patrons see that they are out and about.
If one identified himself and was out of uniform, what's the proof?
The truth is they have been given far more leeway than they are due and special privilege that they do not deserve. Just being a cop should not be excuse enough to not have your a$$ beat if you deserve it.
Wimmin. Hah.
peter nap wrote:
I wouldn't wonder why he was in a bar, er, restaurant.
If he was in uniform it may just be a courtesy stop. Some officers I've seen come in just to give the management the impression that they are out and about and "looking out for them". I think it also lets the patrons see that they are out and about.
If one identified himself and was out of uniform, what's the proof?
The truth is they have been given far more leeway than they are due and special privilege that they do not deserve. Just being a cop should not be excuse enough to not have your a$$ beat if you deserve it.
Wimmin. Hah.
wylde007
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peter nap wrote:
C. In addition, if any person commits an assault or an assault and battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such other person is a judge, a law-enforcement officer as defined hereinafter, a correctional officer as defined in § 53.1-1, a person employed by the Department of Corrections directly involved in the care, treatment or supervision of inmates in the custody of the Department, a firefighter as defined in § 65.2-102, or a volunteer firefighter or lifesaving or rescue squad member who is a member of a bona fide volunteer fire department or volunteer rescue or emergency medical squad regardless of whether a resolution has been adopted by the governing body of a political subdivision recognizing such firefighters or members as employees, engaged in the performance of his public duties, such person is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and, upon conviction, the sentence of such person shall include a mandatory minimum term of confinement of six months.
Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to affect the right of any person charged with a violation of this section from asserting and presenting evidence in support of any defenses to the charge that may be available under common law.
"Law-enforcement officer" means any full-time or part-time employee of a police department or sheriff's office which is part of or administered by the Commonwealth or any political subdivision thereof, who is responsible for the prevention or detection of crime and the enforcement of the penal, traffic or highway laws of this Commonwealth...
That last section gets me. Are they exempt only at the time during which they are engaged in their duties as the text seems to imply?
Similarly, if instigated by the officer, off-duty, in an aggressive and patently confrontational manner, a strong argument could be made for self-defense. At least under VA law... cops are people, too. Sort of.
peter nap wrote:
From "felony assault on a police officer" 18.2-57(C)
C. In addition, if any person commits an assault or an assault and battery against another knowing or having reason to know that such other person is a judge, a law-enforcement officer as defined hereinafter, a correctional officer as defined in § 53.1-1, a person employed by the Department of Corrections directly involved in the care, treatment or supervision of inmates in the custody of the Department, a firefighter as defined in § 65.2-102, or a volunteer firefighter or lifesaving or rescue squad member who is a member of a bona fide volunteer fire department or volunteer rescue or emergency medical squad regardless of whether a resolution has been adopted by the governing body of a political subdivision recognizing such firefighters or members as employees, engaged in the performance of his public duties, such person is guilty of a Class 6 felony, and, upon conviction, the sentence of such person shall include a mandatory minimum term of confinement of six months.
Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to affect the right of any person charged with a violation of this section from asserting and presenting evidence in support of any defenses to the charge that may be available under common law.
"Law-enforcement officer" means any full-time or part-time employee of a police department or sheriff's office which is part of or administered by the Commonwealth or any political subdivision thereof, who is responsible for the prevention or detection of crime and the enforcement of the penal, traffic or highway laws of this Commonwealth...
That last section gets me. Are they exempt only at the time during which they are engaged in their duties as the text seems to imply?
Similarly, if instigated by the officer, off-duty, in an aggressive and patently confrontational manner, a strong argument could be made for self-defense. At least under VA law... cops are people, too. Sort of.
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wylde007 wrote:
Common law defense is included now. Look up "Fighting Words".
For all the whining the Lobby did to get it passed, they really did LEO's a disservice. A felony conviction is pretty much the end of life as the suspect knows it. Why not kill the Cop and see if he can get away with it.
That;s one of the reasons for some of the extremely violent attacks on Cops during arrests. Once upon a time it wasn't worth it to kill a cop.
It's like speeding to get away from a shoplifting charge...
wylde007 wrote:
Pretty much anytime. There was a lot of lobbying for this although the GA has softened it some. This is the result of the new breed of cop.peter nap wrote:
That last section gets me. Are they exempt only at the time during which they are engaged in their duties as the text seems to imply?
Similarly, if instigated by the officer, off-duty, in an aggressive and patently confrontational manner, a strong argument could be made for self-defense. At least under VA law... cops are people, too. Sort of.
Common law defense is included now. Look up "Fighting Words".
For all the whining the Lobby did to get it passed, they really did LEO's a disservice. A felony conviction is pretty much the end of life as the suspect knows it. Why not kill the Cop and see if he can get away with it.
That;s one of the reasons for some of the extremely violent attacks on Cops during arrests. Once upon a time it wasn't worth it to kill a cop.
It's like speeding to get away from a shoplifting charge...
wylde007
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peter nap wrote:
And, the argument only holds if the person believes or has reason to believe the instigator is a cop. Because let's face it... I'm not going to instigate anything.
Unless someone makes improprieties at my wife. Then the gloves are off. I'll probably end up in jail... after they revive me.
peter nap wrote:
Is that to say that a "common" citizen who is drawn into a fight with an off-duty cop with a chip on his shoulder and a Tejas-size ego has a defense or no?
And, the argument only holds if the person believes or has reason to believe the instigator is a cop. Because let's face it... I'm not going to instigate anything.
Unless someone makes improprieties at my wife. Then the gloves are off. I'll probably end up in jail... after they revive me.
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wylde007 wrote:
Just learn to be as subtly irritating as they are.
While I was videoing the interaction between Grapeshot, Skidmark and the aAshland cop,
he said, "you think you have enough pictures now".
I said " No, you planning to say something you don't want on the news".
wylde007 wrote:
In theory, Fighting Words go for everybody. The law stems from a time when honor was important. The courts have a little trouble with that word now.peter nap wrote:Is that to say that a "common" citizen who is drawn into a fight with an off-duty cop with a chip on his shoulder and a Tejas-size ego has a defense or no?
And, the argument only holds if the person believes or has reason to believe the instigator is a cop. Because let's face it... I'm not going to instigate anything.
Unless someone makes improprieties at my wife. Then the gloves are off. I'll probably end up in jail... after they revive me.
Just learn to be as subtly irritating as they are.
While I was videoing the interaction between Grapeshot, Skidmark and the aAshland cop,
he said, "you think you have enough pictures now".
I said " No, you planning to say something you don't want on the news".
zekester
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All I know is.....hell...I am thirsty....I think I will have a beer.
All I know is.....hell...I am thirsty....I think I will have a beer.
wylde007
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peter nap wrote:
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Well, yeah. I meant their use by an officer as an instigation tactic could nullify his being an officer. It is nigh-on entrapment.
No problem. I think I can do that. :lol:
Brilliant.:celebrate
Citizen
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t33j wrote:
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Ha! So what? Anybody can drink with anybody. The real question is whether you would buy the other guy that beer!
Citizen
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My goodness, what a discussion.
A fella just has to know his limits.
I don't think the issue is that a person needs a perfectly clear mind to safely handle a firearm. If this were true, we'd all need time to make coffee before confronting a burglar in the middle of the night in the upstairs hall. I think the issue is that one's judgement and reactions are not diminished to the point of creating apotential for real danger.
My goodness, what a discussion.
A fella just has to know his limits.
I don't think the issue is that a person needs a perfectly clear mind to safely handle a firearm. If this were true, we'd all need time to make coffee before confronting a burglar in the middle of the night in the upstairs hall. I think the issue is that one's judgement and reactions are not diminished to the point of creating apotential for real danger.
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wasn't it a cop who was carrying, drinking, and DRUNK that killed that guy outside of a bar? I think he shot 13 times and hit the man 7.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2010/06/city_officer_shoots_man_after.html
I highly doubt he had just one drink with a meal...
wasn't it a cop who was carrying, drinking, and DRUNK that killed that guy outside of a bar? I think he shot 13 times and hit the man 7.
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2010/06/city_officer_shoots_man_after.html
I highly doubt he had just one drink with a meal...
zoom6zoom
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I know that, you know that, he knows that. But it's the perceptions of Soccer Mom Sally that will make the papers.
I know that, you know that, he knows that. But it's the perceptions of Soccer Mom Sally that will make the papers.