WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Nope as in I have no need to be a **** to someone on the internet just for kicks and giggles.
Considering your accusations, I disagree.
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Nope as in I have no need to be a **** to someone on the internet just for kicks and giggles.
Seems like there's a lot of smart aleks, elitists and cop haters in the forums. Quite a turn off tbh. While there's a ton of good, smart people on here, the amount of, well, a-holes is quite frustrating And lately I've been turning to other forums for information and discussions. I mean I see some legit questions on here and discussions only to be ruined by them. Just kind of feel like of you don't have anything nice to say ore I'd doesn't pertain to the question or conversation, don't comment especially if you know it might make someone angry or annoyed. The elitists on here are really bad. Anyone else feel this way?
Originally Posted by ericcris10sen
Seems like there's a lot of smart aleks, elitists and cop haters in the forums. Quite a turn off tbh. While there's a ton of good, smart people on here, the amount of, well, a-holes is quite frustrating And lately I've been turning to other forums for information and discussions. I mean I see some legit questions on here and discussions only to be ruined by them. Just kind of feel like of you don't have anything nice to say ore I'd doesn't pertain to the question or conversation, don't comment especially if you know it might make someone angry or annoyed. The elitists on here are really bad. Anyone else feel this way?
Me thinks that you doth contradict yourself.I agree. But you take the good, you take the bad ... and there you have it--the facts of life.
IMO this forum is too heavily moderated....oh well.
You may start your own forum...perhaps team up with eye95, he likes civility above all else. [if he's still around his civility web page is gone perhaps?]
I would say that there are a few rather than a lot. You do have the option of adding them to your ignore list.
If something doesn't pertain to a particular thread, it is deemed off topic and don't feed trolls, please.
Serious breaches of Forum Rules or decorum WILL be addressed.
In my not so humble opinion, there is no other forum that can hold a candle to OCDO - still there will always be room for improvement.
OP I believe your post is an insult to the members of this board. AFAIK there are no haters here, or very few, if any. There are people here who are very vested in the constitution, and rights. Not sure what you mean by elitist, but I have not seen what you have seen, and I have gone a round with almost everybody at one time or another.
If liberty is disturbing, or elitist to you then this may not be the site for you, IMO.
As far as smart alecs, yea they are on every site, I am sometimes one of them, we here call it humor, or sarcasm.
I don't find this forum near as welcoming as when I first joined, but we're all adults who have the option to read or not read, post or not post, and subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Eye95 did like to rant but didn't like the rules. He demanded his account be permanently deleted. A rare exception was made - it was.
Welcome to the World Wide Web.Seems like there's a lot of smart aleks, elitists and cop haters in the forums.
Then...why return? Or you could just learn to accept it as it is.Quite a turn off tbh.
Yeah, and we soon tire of the nuisance some people are. But you soon get used to a few of them. Especially Solus and McBeth. They’re kinda like toe jam.While there's a ton of good, smart people on here, the amount of, well, a-holes is quite frustrating
...and you posted anyway...?Just kind of feel like of you...don't comment especially if you know it might make someone angry or annoyed.
Yeah, but we all get used to Grapeshot. :monkeyThe elitists on here are really bad. Anyone else feel this way?
I get used, too.--snipped--
.......we all get used to Grapeshot. :monkey
Seems like there's a lot of smart aleks, elitists and cop haters in the forums. Quite a turn off tbh. While there's a ton of good, smart people on here, the amount of, well, a-holes is quite frustrating And lately I've been turning to other forums for information and discussions. I mean I see some legit questions on here and discussions only to be ruined by them. Just kind of feel like of you don't have anything nice to say ore I'd doesn't pertain to the question or conversation, don't comment especially if you know it might make someone angry or annoyed. The elitists on here are really bad. Anyone else feel this way?
I'm 5' 7" - boy that makes me feel good......We have almost 40,000 user/registrants now. Most are good honest, productive people - a few not so much.
By and large, this forum has been extremely good at targeting the goals intended and IMHO we owe it to the membership.
I walk in the land of giants......I really do mean that.
We have almost 40,000 user/registrants now. Most are good honest, productive people - a few not so much.
By and large, this forum has been extremely good at targeting the goals intended and IMHO we owe it to the membership.
I walk in the land of giants......I really do mean that.
We have almost 40,000 user/registrants now. Most are good honest, productive people - a few not so much.
By and large, this forum has been extremely good at targeting the goals intended and IMHO we owe it to the membership.
I walk in the land of giants......I really do mean that.
The ratio of active (log-ins) vs passive reading is not what you suggest. Non-registered/non-recorded reads far exceed the number of log-ins.How many "inactive" (1 yr no posts/visit)?
You've hit things pretty well, I'm afraid.
At one time, as packing dot org disappeared, the forum was very active, with a lot of different folks posting. Discussion was vigorous, but civil. Personal insults were less frequent. The various "Nazis", trolls, provocateurs, and self important jerks who seem to exist only to find some non material error in others' posts or demonstrate their own superiority showed up a lot less often, and were pretty universally shunned when they did rare their trollish little heads. Post formatting was much more readable on average (the days before smart phones with itty-bitty keyboards), and discussions/debates were a little more in depth. New folks were warmly welcomed and only run off after they demonstrated they were trolls.
Most importantly, at one time, the forum was solidly and overwhelmingly committed to OC specifically and to RKBA generally. Social forum discussions about non-gun issues were common and enjoyable, but not the bulk of the traffic. There was a fair bit of traffic on coordinating for elections, or discussing which legislation to advance and how best to do so. The legal info on the state pages was top notch and kept up to date with the help of a group of "State Researchers" who fed info to one of the mods.
While the main purpose of the forum is in its name, the members used to be very open to concealed carry as well.
This have changed. New members are frequently given not just a cold shoulder, but an overtly hostile reception by a few who seem to think being a jerk is good sport or seem to have something to prove. Some (as we see here), justify incivility by claiming it is humor or sarcasm.
We have several, very vocal members who seem far less interested in RKBA or OC than they are in proselyting libertarian anarchy. In fact, I suspect some really only care about RKBA to the extent they think gun nuts are likely to be receptive to their messages on anarchy. The whole think sometimes comes off as cop bashing. A fair number of threads actually wind up locked or deleted because a few really want another cop watch forum. Some brush as closely as they can against forum rules prohibiting advocating for violation of laws. Others get rather nasty (in their own special ways) toward any who actually dare disagree with their unworkable political/social theories of how to create utopia.
Any suggestion that the forum members might do something more than just bang out angry posts at each other will result in some jack wagon posting yet another link to a janet Jackson video for "What have you done for me lately."
And of course, some of the worst offenders have responded to your OP quite defensively, like so many hit birds fluttering.
The State legal information is woefully and dangerous out of date. It certainly isn't reliable as I know of material errors in the two States I've checked recently. There is almost no organized effort anymore by the forum admins to gather updated info or to get the state pages corrected. You will notice that most requests for legal data (that don't get met with derision) will result in links to pages off the forum. At one time, a redirect to the State pages of the forum was all that was needed in almost all cases of someone looking to figure out what was legal and what wasn't as far as OC or carrying in general goes.
We have a small, but very vocal group who are overtly hostile to concealed carry. Pejoratives like P2P (pay to play) or P4P (pay for permits) get tossed around as the OCDO version of progressives calling anyone who disagrees with them a "bigot". At least one member openly celebrates any legal setbacks for concealed carry. (I think the 2A is all the permit we should need. But practical politics is the art of the possible, not the theory of the perfect.)
Many members misunderstand or deliberately abuse the forum rules regarding citations. Citations are required for claims as to law. Some members have taken to demanding cites for every statement made or personal observation offered. They wield such demands as an attempt to shut down discussion they don't like, or (as in other cases) try to prove some non material error. ("Gee, it turns out the national population isn't exactly 320 million it is...what does it matter?")
The ignore list helps with the worst of the worst. But the reality is, the forum isn't what it once was and probably never again will be. It is a shame because it could be a great resource rather than merely a source of recreation. But current (active) membership seems to have little interest in that. Those who protest the loudest, and quite likely the worst offenders. They like what they have created, but don't care to own it for what it is.
I've decided to check in occasionally to see if there is anything from across the nation I haven't seen elsewhere. Sometimes a post or two is fun. But I'm finding my local forum to be a better place to discuss local issues free from the semi-insane or illiterate ramblings of the trolls here. It is also much better for discussion as we tend to know each other in person and that tends to maintain a better level of discourse than we see too often here. Your location is Hurricane Utah ("Are you from Dixie?"). UtahConcealedCarry.com is not super active, but is great for Utah and regional information and discussion. Some really great guys are active there. No hostility there to legal open carry either.
Again, this is all unfortunate as a nationwide list has such potential, and used to be so much more. But what is, is.
Charles
We have come a long way baby. That is, in the last ten years. Yes, there are some states that are just hellholes, but for the most part most battles are local skirmishes. Getting local governments to comply with state law.
Because of our successes less participation will naturally occur. .....
"Seems like there's a lot of smart aleks, elitists and cop haters in the forums." No more than when this forum started. They were just lost in the crowd.
We have almost 40,000 user/registrants now. Most are good honest, productive people - a few not so much.
By and large, this forum has been extremely good at targeting the goals intended ...